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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #345 on: September 04, 2025, 10:21:03 AM »

How about a drum off?    If I win, you have to post hidden gems instead of the same stale old hat I can hear on classic rock stations over and over.   






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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #346 on: September 04, 2025, 06:37:17 PM »
HA! I can feel my calves cramping up doing kick rolls now. I like those pedals tho. One of the most common I saw when I was out there.

Well, maybe go to the initial 2-3 post and what it's about. How corporate and mixing is done these days destroys what it was all about. Dynamics, It's lost. There is no real weeding process. 1 (one) guy promotes what HE likes nation wide.

If you heard White Witch, Slade, Alavin Lee, Gary Moore and Queen songs...off their lowest rated album, "regularly" on the radio I want to know those stations,... probably on SiriusXM.
Rock may still exist, but it's lost its rank, that went gone late 80s. Everything at 11 on the amp 0 on the console. What ever skill is there is hidden by straight line mixes. Even the late 80s hair bands (who dressed like females) only had a few songs worth listening to the rest of the album was garbage to go from EP to LP. I like 3 songs from Queensryche, 1 from the Cult. 3-4 from Metallica. But even then there was a weeding process. If you can fill a room with your own fans they may be interested if you can fill bigger rooms.

Sometimes ya play what they know so they can reminisce what it was really like, compared to today. A lot will compare Classic Rock to new Rock.
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #347 on: September 04, 2025, 06:41:40 PM »
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #348 on: September 04, 2025, 10:50:20 PM »
RIP Ozzy

His music is timeless.  :salute :rock
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #349 on: September 07, 2025, 11:52:11 AM »

A record can be perfectly mixed and mastered only to be ruined by the types of media people listen to.   

I've got a few big soundbars on TVs here but my Marantz and dynaco equipment playing vinyl is far better.

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #350 on: Yesterday at 06:51:24 PM »
Audio Engineering Society - Audio Myths Workshop. AES, which I am a member of. A little old, but trust me nothing much has changed.
It's a hr long that goes into many things, boring to some,... like file compressions, psychological/memory effects experiments, but at 5:30 is a segment/experiment with Zepplin, which may interest some. Cables at 12:00-ish

If you're into audio it's educational

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #351 on: Yesterday at 07:10:50 PM »
A record can be perfectly mixed and mastered only to be ruined by the types of media people listen to.   

I've got a few big soundbars on TVs here but my Marantz and dynaco equipment playing vinyl is far better.

Of course.
Even if you go direct from analog vinyl to .wav file, it's been compressed for a 2nd-3rd time,.. and the lower quality files, like MP3, it's progressive every time you save it. Which means, who knows how many times it was re-compressed.
The final vinyal output is compressed, and the compression depends on who that copy goes to. Radio stations got promo copies that are of higher quality than you bought in a store. A long time friend worked in a record store in the 70s, and we'd go buy and album and then we would A&B our copy to his promo copy. You could barely here the difference, but there was a difference. Because another layer of compression happens in broadcast, could be 12;1 to 21-4, so they had to leave that head room in promos for that last step of compression that helped it sound good in your car speakers.

Anything I played on a 180k watt system, was .wav, or CD.....put an MP3 in the system I'm running and you won't touch anything else the rest of the time.

Marantz, Harman Kardon (who own damn near everything), Sansui and Pioneer were the most popular in the home stereo days.
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #352 on: Yesterday at 10:40:03 PM »
Hawkwind was always a abstract psychedelic band in the 70s, small doses..... AND,...this is where bass player Lemmy Kilmister (from the band Motorhead)
came from.



And then you get this from them

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #353 on: Yesterday at 10:57:26 PM »
Anyone into rock heard this. David Coverdale got his break with DP, before White Snake.


never got air play,....wasn't contemporary. a gem instru IMO
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #354 on: Yesterday at 11:38:05 PM »
THE first high profile concert I ever mixed monitors (the triangle boxes/speakers you see on the floor in front of them, what they hear) was Rick Derringer with Gary Moore as second Gtr., 82, after Thin Lizzy.
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #355 on: Today at 07:28:33 AM »
Thin Lizzy was one of those new sound bands in the late 70's...



AC_DC and Queen were freaky to hear at 1st to as they too were very different for that time..





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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #356 on: Today at 09:19:24 AM »
Thin Lizzy put the harmonizing guitars to work, some bands copied it.

But the thing about 70s rock they all had their own sound and approach. IMO, rocks most experimental days. Rock has so many branch off genres. Pop rock, hard rock, acid rock, blues rock, southern rock, progressive…etc. No other genre has that.

Some who didn’t make it in rock tried to rock country in the 90s.

Today, pick a genre, they all sound like the same band. It gets boring fast. Its what makes old rock shine on, because it was so diverse.

Lot of people say “ you worked with so many bands…blah blah blah”. True, but I started in 80, only 20 yrs old. I missed the cream of the crop, unless they did reunion tours. Disco and fluffy MTV was over-shadowing rock. Many of my fav bands were gone by then.

I was 15 in 75, deeply into drumming and electronics, first concert was Joe Walsh. Watched them set up snd then show. That put the hook in my mouth. “Thats what I want to do.”. 74-79 I either worked farms or home construction. Then I got my chance and bit hard. But really, the best was already old. So I made a living doing everything.

Today, even really good bands aren’t being brought out front by FM radio. They just become a blur of millions on YT. No one is putting it in your face like radio. Video (MTV) killed the radio star.

i didn’t get all the bands I really wanted. Even Black Sabbath, at the very top shelf they can afford to carry their own sound crew, so like BS or Eagles, I’m just hanging the sound system and hand it over. The mid level, these shows is where they didn’t afford it and thats when I mixed the most. When they are in my area I got a call. Doing it that way, I got a lot of bands in 6 mos, maybe 20. while someone on the road got 1-2 in that 6 mos. The same band.

Point being, 70s rock will live forever because its diverse. Some others are gone quick. Corporate greed decided instead of fans. If you’re good and stupid they want you.

I'll listen to anything thats done well. But IMO rock roots are deep. But as Tumor stated. Country tried to replace rock. And failed rock players jumped that wagon. Its Pop with rehearsed southern vocals. The only thing that makes it country. Many don't write their own lyrics, they get them from a lyric library people put in there hoping to make royalties. Nashville got too big. Same session musicians, same small group of engineers, therefore it all sounds the same. Bogus IMO. But it sells because old rock isn’t around to pummel it. However, old rock that can still do reunion tours are stuffing the house and making big money. Its a “hold my beer” time.

The 450 bands (4k concerts) I worked in 45 yrs doesn't even scratch the surface.


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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #357 on: Today at 01:54:40 PM »

I used to work at the lexus dealership right next to Full Sail university and they had speed bumps shaped perfectly for me to find suspension rattles.   

One day, I was in a security vehicle with siren, lights, and the PA system in thier parking lot so........I keyed the mic and said "attention attention......the industry is full.........stop spending your parents money".