American commies are for Obama!

[Mojava]

 I  see a lot of anti war protest in those pictures, I don't think I see a single person asking that the US  becomes the USSR.  I guess I would have to draw a broad generalization to do that. 

[Eagler]

you need to examine the photos closer ...

[indy007]

I  see a lot of anti war protest in those pictures, I don't think I see a single person asking that the US  becomes the USSR.  I guess I would have to draw a broad generalization to do that. 

So you can't protest the war without promoting one of the most blood-stained political ideologies in history?

Mojava... please don't tell us you're one of those useful idiots with an orange bandana.

[Anaxogoras]

Oh my straw-man fallacy!

Look, the orange-bandana idiots explicitly stated that they do not support any of the existing communist states, and I think that would imply they don't support the former USSR.  That's the best way to interpret them and therefore it's the starting point for arguing against them in a meaningful way.  What they have in mind is some sort of cheery, anarchistic utopia where everyone makes the same amount of money regardless of education or occupation, where no one can get ahead of others, etc.

The rest of you are totally wrong about how they get it wrong.  Arguing that they want a totalitarian state is pathetic and weak and shows a misunderstanding of why these people are dangerous.  What is true is that any ideology that would have man place the interests of the collective above his own is wicked and undermines what is best in humanity.

[lasersailor184]

Oh my straw-man fallacy!

Look, the orange-bandana idiots explicitly stated that they do not support any of the existing communist states, and I think that would imply they don't support the former USSR.  That's the best way to interpret them and therefore it's the starting point for arguing against them in a meaningful way.  What they have in mind is some sort of cheery, anarchistic utopia where everyone makes the same amount of money regardless of education or occupation, where no one can get ahead of others, etc.

The rest of you are totally wrong about how they get it wrong.  Arguing that they want a totalitarian state is pathetic and weak and shows a misunderstanding of why these people are dangerous.  What is true is that any ideology that would have man place the interests of the collective above his own is wicked and undermines what is best in humanity.

Fool.  Your placating of them allows them to think they are right.  They are not, in ANY way.


Socialism and Communism can never even begin to be confused with Anarchy.  It can ***ONLY*** be achieved through a totalitarian state.

What is best in humanity?  Every single time throughout all of history, when the interests of the collective are placed above the interests of the indvidual we have seen the WORST of humanity.

The definition (or so is popularly said) of insanity is repeating the same task over and over but expecting different results each time.

[Anaxogoras]

Fool.  Your placating of them allows them to think they are right.  They are not, in ANY way.


Socialism and Communism can never even begin to be confused with Anarchy.  It can ***ONLY*** be achieved through a totalitarian state.

What is best in humanity?  Every single time throughout all of history, when the interests of the collective are placed above the interests of the indvidual we have seen the WORST of humanity.

The definition (or so is popularly said) of insanity is repeating the same task over and over but expecting different results each time.

Yes, I think we agree here, mostly.  But they are right about one thing: they know their own intentions.  You guys seem to be saying that they can't intend peace and happiness through a political/economic system that we know is bad, but they can intend that very easily because they have a connected set of beliefs that are false or misguided.  What they intend is up to them, and they are incorrigible about that by definition.

Secondly, leave experience aside and suppose that the socialists' dream state could be achieved without a totalitarian state.  Who would want it?  I wouldn't.  To me, their dream state is a miasma of self-immolation that only exists in the darkest corners of hell.

[indy007]

Oh my straw-man fallacy!

Look, the orange-bandana idiots explicitly stated that they do not support any of the existing communist states, and I think that would imply they don't support the former USSR.  That's the best way to interpret them and therefore it's the starting point for arguing against them in a meaningful way.  What they have in mind is some sort of cheery, anarchistic utopia where everyone makes the same amount of money regardless of education or occupation, where no one can get ahead of others, etc.

Yes & no. W.C.W. founders were largely from the Revolutionary Communist Party. The RCP states that U.S. Imperialism will never peacefully change and that the only way for people to liberate themselves is through communist revolution. It should be pretty obvious W.C.W. is a facade to present a less blemished front while pushing the same agenda and recruit more useful idiots.

Now you mentioned a bit of anarchy. A part of this that's comedy gold is the Communists and Anarchists hate each other, even though they "protest" in the same marches... then procede to flame and troll each other on their internet forums. It got especially nasty after the Anarchists scheduled their book fair on the same day as an ANSWER protest. In case you're wondering, the Anarchists believe the Communists are disarmed idiots with no idea how to start a real revolution. The Communists believe the Anarchists are hypocrits for using all the trapping of organized, modern society while dressing in black to throw the occasional molotov cocktail and never actually doing anything.

unfortunately many, many of the best pictures are definately NSFW and wouldn't last 10 seconds before Skuzzy took a paddle to me.

[Anaxogoras]

Well, that's some good analysis.  When I said "anarchistic" I didn't mean people who call themselves anarchists, however, but just that these people do not want a totalitarian state.

[lazs2]

anarchists and commies have always hated each other and for good reason.. they are at opposite ends of the spectrum..   nothing a commie hates more than not being able to control everyones every thought and action.

socialists are just commie lights.

lazs

[Mojava]

 Here's a good read for you folks  that I think you'll enjoy http://www.romm.org/soc_com.html.

[texasmom]

You know, liberal activists have one really, really, really great thing going for them: they're willing to work!
Just think of all that effort.  It's such a shame that all that great effort & long hours are spent on total dimwit efforts.
Were they putting that same effort toward anything worthwhile... they really could make a huge difference!

[KgB]

anarchists and commies have always hated each other and for good reason.. they are at opposite ends of the spectrum..   nothing a commie hates more than not being able to control everyones every thought and action.

socialists are just commie lights.

lazs

You old marazmatic fool
Every Democratic society have failed so far.Your economic boost was gained by capitalizing on ww2 land lease program.USA was nothing before ww2.Your 4th of July would not Even exist without France that you despite so much.Tell me please,why are you better than everyone else?What gives right to tell everyone whats right or wrong?

[mentalguy]

Tell me please,why are you better than everyone else?What gives right to tell everyone whats right or wrong?

Cuz we're Americans. It's what we do. If anyone doesn't like it, they can get off this AMERICAN website.

[lasersailor184]

You old marazmatic fool
Every Democratic society have failed so far.Your economic boost was gained by capitalizing on ww2 land lease program.USA was nothing before ww2.Your 4th of July would not Even exist without France that you despite so much.Tell me please,why are you better than everyone else?What gives right to tell everyone whats right or wrong?

Actually, it wouldn't exist without Prussia.  It was the Baron Von Steuben who told us how to win the war.  France was only the boatride over.

You know, liberal activists have one really, really, really great thing going for them: they're willing to work!
Just think of all that effort.  It's such a shame that all that great effort & long hours are spent on total dimwit efforts.
Were they putting that same effort toward anything worthwhile... they really could make a huge difference!

Actually, I'd say very few of them do any (productive) work.  They are however, really good at stealing other people's money and spending it for them.

[Boroda]

You old marazmatic fool
Every Democratic society have failed so far.Your economic boost was gained by capitalizing on ww2 land lease program.USA was nothing before ww2.Your 4th of July would not Even exist without France that you despite so much.Tell me please,why are you better than everyone else?What gives right to tell everyone whats right or wrong?

"Democracy" is only a tool to fool the masses, and to make them feel responsible for the actions of their regime. Nothing more then propaganda bla-bla to make every useless fool feel like he decides something.

What's so bad about totalitarian state? At least it's more transparent then so-called "democracy" and much, much more effective in achieving it's goals. And the goals are usually not just the prosperity for a bunch of crooks.

Can anyone please tell me the goals of American society? What is it all for?