Its not a HO after the inital merge..

[Motherland]

When I'm in the 190F-8 and already engaged with a bandit (and maybe still carrying ords for gv's below me), I HO on any second bandit that comes into the picture.  Well, maybe I wouldn't do it against a Typhy, but it sure worked well against an LA-7 the other night.

Bottom line is, when faced with a faster, superior maneuvering aircraft, the head-on is de rigueur.

I don't think he's talking about multiple opponents.

What I'm saying is that if a shot is taken here-

It's a cheap HO.

[Anaxogoras]

Did you see my edit?

[Motherland]

Yeah...
I think my second post explains what I'm trying to say better though.

[Murdr]

long story short I came face to face with a guy in scissors and shot him as he passed under me head on..

abusive PMs till squelch.

The generally accepted difference in AH between a "front quarter shot" and what is refered to with distain as a HO, is that a HO requires a show of mutual gun solutions.  If you were in opposing circles, and he passed under you, then he likely wouldn't have had guns.  You had guns, he didn't, case dismissed 

[Murdr]

If you're face to face after the initial merge you both did something wrong and you should not take the shot.
Oh, and shooting someone after the immelman that usually follows the initial merge is just as bad.

Just a side note.  If I'm the bogie, and you take your nose off of me for too early of a pre-turn, and you're sloppy with your positioning, expect to be shot.  That's not a cheap shot, that's letting you know you're "avoiding the HO" incorrectly 

[Anaxogoras]

Yeah...
I think my second post explains what I'm trying to say better though.

Not fair.  You have that great graphic.

[stephen]

Wingnuts right, some guys will complain about anything, especialy a long fight that degenerates into a face off at low alt, somtimes it just went that way, so stop the whining, <------------good thread wingnut, dont take no guff off the guys in here, they just want to belittle you in front of the other kiddies in here so the 200 daily whine can go on unabated....keep a stiff upper lip brother.

<S> ROOKS best HO mongers of all lol.

[Motherland]

Not fair.  You have that great graphic.

Hey- I made it

[SPKmes]

so your going to spawn camp? 

you'll have to camp yourself to find out....I see you I kill you 

[BaldEagl]

IMO anything goes after the opening merge.

[Fulmar]

Man, I can't believe how dead this horse is.  You'd think after all these years there would be nothing left to beat...

This is the same thread as last week, last month, last year.  Let's move on for $#%!'s sake

[Murdr]

Wingnuts right, some guys will complain about anything, especialy a long fight that degenerates into a face off at low alt, somtimes it just went that way, so stop the whining, <------------good thread wingnut, dont take no guff off the guys in here, they just want to belittle you in front of the other kiddies in here so the 200 daily whine can go on unabated....keep a stiff upper lip brother.

Not picking on you, but this quote reminded me of something.  Not too long ago, I had 2 spits on a rope throwing tracers in my general direction, and I see a third bogie getting ready to pick me.  I evaded, he loops over and I turn back into him.  I had the drop on him.  Gunsight on him d800+ and he hadn't completed his reverse yet.  I knew who the bogie was, and he knew who I was.  We both approached each other from d600 nose on till point blank range, with a slow closure rate.  He waited until the last possible split second and pulled a sucker punch of a HO.  It was so last second the hits didn't even register until we had passed the merge.  He of course heard my opinion about it when my hands were free to type.  

At this point, enter the know nothing dork, who presumes to enlighten me about Head-ons.  Well as evidenced by the numerous, perhaps hundreds of threads on this topic, there are quite a bit of hairsplittings and caviots on what's a "cheap HO" and what isn't.  So really a third party has no first hand knowledge about an alleged incident, and is incapible of adding anything of value to the conversation.  Where was I going with this?  Oh, yea... Shuddup and mind you own freakin business in the peanut gallery

[kj714]

Alot of the time in the MA I find guys who are pulling hard into the remerge and getting popped in the canopy and then complaining about a "HO".

+1!

So many just can't get off the wep, chop throttle and hit flaps if they have 'em. They just race around the outside and complain when you nail em as they cross your path the second time.

[SD67]

Yeah, I mean, after the first time, it's like you're buddies and all
A Ho is just a friend you haven't "merged with" yet.

[hammer]

...Planes are free...

Planes are free?!?  BOOZER!!!!!! Give me my money back!!!!!