Pakistan: U.S. not hunting bin Laden on its turf, nor is it allowed to.

[Yeager]

Pakistan talks more two faced sh*t than just about any other country on planet.  If OBL location is found he will be targeted regardless of the host country.  If the host country wants war with the US then what are you going to do?  Let a mass murderer of 3000 people just hang out somewhere and chill?  fu*k that and the horse it rode in on.

[FrodeMk3]

The real question is will we be able to stop Israel from doing it.

If you had phrased that, "The real question is WOULD we stop Isreal from doing it", It would seem more appropriate.

[FrodeMk3]

Pakistan talks more two faced sh*t than just about any other country on planet.  If OBL location is found he will be targeted regardless of the host country.  If the host country wants war with the US then what are you going to do?  Let a mass murderer of 3000 people just hang out somewhere and chill?  fu*k that and the horse it rode in on.

Well, the real clincher there is having proof he's in a country. So far as I know, we can't even prove he's anywhere.

I'd like to say this, though. It's most likely that if he's still alive, that he's hiding in a country dominated by a predominately Muslim Theocracy. Those tend to be smaller, more Third-world in nature. Any such Nation wouldn't stand much of a chance against the U.S. or any coallition of it's allies.

...However, Bin-Laden's managed to play himself into a major political card; If the various terrorist networks' simply spread the rumor that he's hiding in some place like, say, Libya, and U.S./Coalition forces' take some kind of military action there, We play into his hands' in the court of world opinion. And, we also get our military stretched thinner and thinner...To the point where we have too much on our plate to head off other crisis' as they rear they're heads. Then what do we do?

[BnZ]

Then what do we do?

I'll take a guess:

Then we strip-search some more old ladies from Des Moines, put up even more "Big Brother" cameras, and take away the last shred of any right you have left against search and siezure. You know, because Osama might be hiding in my freezer or in your CD cabinet. Also, we will ban overcoats, because they are popular with the suicide bombing set. 

[AKIron]

If you had phrased that, "The real question is WOULD we stop Isreal from doing it", It would seem more appropriate.

I think we would stop them but I think they may not ask for our permission.

[Yeager]

I'll take a guess:

Then we strip-search some more old ladies from Des Moines, put up even more "Big Brother" cameras, and take away the last shred of any right you have left against search and siezure.

paaaaaaaa-thetic 

[BnZ]

paaaaaaaa-thetic 

Okay then you are right and I am wrong. Tyranny can never happen in America. The fact that security thugs are harassing people who are obviously not terrorists constantly because it is better to be both innefective and assine than *gasp* profile people makes perfect sense. It makes more sense to invade Iraq to prevent terrorism than to cut off immigration to the U.S. from the countries which the 9/11 terrorists actually hailed from. The fact that we invaded Iraq and caught Saddam in less than a year but haven't bagged Osama in what, 7 years, is not the least bit suspicious. G.W. Bush and his neo-con cronies are good Christian country boys just like yourself, associations with Skull&Bones and other NWO organizations or the fact that Bush agreed to not veto Clinton's gun ban be damned. The only explanation for me not liking the President and policies that the media tells me all Red Staters have to love is that I am gay, gun-hating Californian vegan.  It has nothing to do with a paleo-con concern with small government, personal freedom, and non-interventionist foriegn policy. Why, if I don't like what the Republicans are doing right now, I must be an Obama campaign worker. Any political thought that doesn't fit in with the two media and state approved parties is baaaaaaaaaad

That sound about right to you chief?

[Yeager]

I'm not saying that "you" are pathetic.  I believe that you mean well. 

[FrodeMk3]

I think we would stop them but I think they may not ask for our permission.

No, I agree with you there...Our gov't. has more leaks than my favorite spaghetti strainer; It would be a good way to lose the advantage of suprise. However, I also believe that they would make sure that we would have their back in case of some kind of balls-up, so...Maybe not all levels of our gov't., but someone would know. That leaves' the option of plausible deniability open to our Public leaders.

[BnZ]

I'm not saying that "you" are pathetic.  I believe that you mean well. 

You can't seperate the personal and the political quite that easily. By God sir, if you are right and I am wrong, my ideas are dangerous and semi-traitorous and put us in great danger of being blown to bits by Islamo-Fascist Grannies from Des Moines.

By the same token, I don't think people like you Sir are knowingly backing creeping totalitarianism, but the road to Hell and all that...

I will tell you something I observed. Right after the OKC bombing, Clinton and the forces of jack-booted thuggery did their best to make the incident into their very own Reichstag fire moment, and railroad the sort of legislation they wanted passed for years on through. (Governments LOVE incidents like OKC and 9/11.) Because Clinton was a Democrat, a hated liberal, and because "domestic terror" legislation was blatantly aimed at gun owners and politically conservative rural residents, the NRA, almost everyone I know, and people like yourself all across the country put back their ears and said "No way, Willy."

But 9/11 presents a different problem. I think because the perpetrators were brown-skinned foriegners with an alien religion, and because G.W. Bush is supposedly a "good old boy" from Texas (even though he is really a member of the same "ruling class" that provides 90% of our politicians) our defenses were down and we took one on the chin. The only ones in opposition were knee-jerk liberals shouting absurd slogans like "No war for oil" and a few traditionalist free-thinkers like myself.

[Yeager]

I don't think people like you Sir......

You see, thats the thing, you presume to know me.  I dont even know me.  Carry on 

[BnZ]

You see, thats the thing, you presume to know me.  I dont even know me.  Carry on 

You are correct, I don't know you, I "assumed" and you know what that spells. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly you are part of the "Guns, Guts, and God" culture in the U.S., which as you might guess, I am fond of. Though I consider them the backbone of the U.S.A., I am often chagrined at how easily they are manipulated by anybody who wears religion on his sleeve and affects a down-home accent.

[WilldCrd]

You see, thats the thing, you presume to know me.  I dont even know me.  Carry on 

you've changed man! honestly, when I read your first post in this thread I thought "who is this?" you not feeling well? Are you really you? Your whole style of typing and phrasing your words is....different.

can you prove your you??

[ZetaNine]

"Guns, Guts, and God" culture in the U.S.,

just got back from checking some historical documents...........and what do you know......that's how this country was formed...

[ZetaNine]

anyone here know any americans who have been able to prove they were damaged as a result of their rights being taken away by the patriot act?