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Offline Zazen13

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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 05:01:25 PM »
...and I was referring to to scoring per se.  :D

Doing away with scorekeeping entirely would be bad. The primary distinction between AH and any of a hundred first person shooters out there, besides a prodigous learning curve, is immersive continuity of experience. Tour based scorekeeping, if kept in proper perspective, is not only a usefull tool for self-improvement, it also facilitates development of that feeling of continuity of experience. There's a significant portion of the community that would lose interest in the genre altogether if not for the ability to set goals for themselves every tour and monitor their progress throughout, doing so provides an overarching context for their gaming experience. Remove any and all artifacts of scorekeeping and the game will quickly devolve into air-quake with suicidal planes instead of deranged ex-marines with medication issues.

As an example, let's say we remove scorekeeping, let's also assume the people who've enjoyed the goal setting aspect continue to play. You've now removed one of the biggest reasons half the players don't accept or attempt to force HO's/Rams or suicidally dive through 15 blazing acks to vulch you while landing just out of pure spite. Now instead of being punished with a score ruining death on their scorecard for their actions there are no negative repercussions whatsoever, they simply roll the dice with an ambivalent shrug. I, for one, although I do not play for score myself, am very happy a lot do...I have played quake, it held my interest for all of about 7 minutes...No thanks..
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2008, 06:13:05 PM »
I have an even better idea. How about vulchers don't get kills for planes still on the ground, the ground-bound vulchee gets a landed sortie instead of a death and the vulchers rounds applied to a non-airborne target count as misses... ;) If we did this the top 100 fighter sheet would look waaaaaaaay different from now on and gang-hording a sparsely defended field with 50 guys would plummet in popularity... :aok

how about people who get vulched 3 times in 5 minutes start to lose perkies for being an idiot. :D

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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2008, 06:46:40 PM »
Zaz...

I'm sorry that my sarcasm seems to have gone over your head.

I would try to ally you confusion, but, I'm too weary from reading your posts.  :)
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2008, 07:15:01 PM »
Zaz...

I'm sorry that my sarcasm seems to have gone over your head.

I would try to ally you confusion, but, I'm too weary from reading your posts.  :)

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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 09:23:13 PM »
Zaz...

I'm sorry that my sarcasm seems to have gone over your head.

I would try to ally you confusion, but, I'm too weary from reading your posts.  :)

If it's any consolation, I understood your post just fine and was perplexed by Zazen's response.

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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 10:45:28 PM »
If it's any consolation, I understood your post just fine and was perplexed by Zazen's response.

Yea, Ok Donzo!...Have a nice day!  :rofl
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 10:55:52 PM »
Yea, Ok Donzo!...Have a nice day!  :rofl

You really don't have a clue, do you?  :rofl

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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2008, 11:22:13 PM »
You really don't have a clue, do you?  :rofl

Feel free to grow up anytime...;) If you're not going to even attempt to contribute anything substantive to the thread's discussion at least have the decency to be entertaining so it's worth the 3 second effort to read... :devil
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2008, 11:42:29 PM »
just turn the tracers off first.  :devil


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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2008, 07:33:22 AM »
Donzo....

Zaz has plenty of clues. Read his posts and it's obvious (most of the time  :devil). In this instance, my knuckle ball just got past him. I might have been a bit too subtle...sarcasm can be a bit tuff in text.:)
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2008, 03:23:51 PM »
Huh?
I love vulching. And I get owned by soft guns sometimes, to me its part of the game. If your stupid enough to try to take off while im circling the field ready to dive on you, why would you try in the first place?
When I get hit by a manned gun I give the victor a big <S> cause I sure cant hit jack in those things  :lol
And why is zazen telling people to grow up? Are there kids here?
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2008, 03:48:36 PM »
When I get hit by a manned gun I give the victor a big <S> cause I sure cant hit jack in those things  :lol
And why is zazen telling people to grow up? Are there kids here?

Have you read my post on the subject on the training site or netaces? It can help alot in that department. Kids I can tolerate within reason, they simply can't help themselves. However, adults with the maturity level of a child I have little patience for...;)
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2008, 12:02:58 AM »
i think zaz you have raised a very good point. If everyone flew careless i wouldnt have anyone to keep my eye on up high while I atempt to turn fight four chick16s and a zero on the deck. Without high cons to watch one could become dangerously lathargic in the furballs....but really, total suicidal air quake would not be good.
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Re: Soft Gun..
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2008, 10:19:00 AM »
i think zaz you have raised a very good point. If everyone flew careless i wouldnt have anyone to keep my eye on up high while I atempt to turn fight four chick16s and a zero on the deck. Without high cons to watch one could become dangerously lathargic in the furballs....but really, total suicidal air quake would not be good.

Air combat has held the time-less popular interest and become the subject of hundreds if not thousands of books for this very reason. It is a fundamental exercise of the precarious balancing of diametric opposition. Energy vs. Angles, Offense vs. Defense, Speed vs. Maneuverability, Initiative vs. Reaction the list goes on. It is precisely the quest for delicately balancing these diametrically opposed factors that make air combat study and practice enthralling. Attempt to remove any one factor from your own approach or that of your opponents and you've un-balanced the beautiful ballet of air combat into something else, a distorted caricature of itself, a mind-numbing game of quake or whatever, but you've destroyed the essence of what makes it great.
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