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Offline Banshee7

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Re: History Near You
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2008, 05:19:03 PM »
And on the civil War side, Fort Pillow is not to far from me either....and Shiloh is a few hours drive
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Re: History Near You
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2008, 05:38:12 PM »
WOW!  Some awesome stories so far!

No way I can top any of those, but here are some local minor nuggets:


Hot Springs, AR & vicinity:

First Tourist:  1542, Spanish Explorer Hernando DeSoto & Expedition, liked it so much he stayed 6 months

First Western Style Shoot out in the street West of the Mississippi:  1866 on Central Avenue in front of a saloon, aledgedly over an
                                                                                            arguement over Civil War loyalties

Most Famous Tourist:  Alphonse Capone, would come down for the winter from Chicago for the hot baths and local horse track & casinos,
                               would rent out an entire floor at the Arlington Hotel on Central Avenue for his enteroge

Second Most Famous Gangster:  Owen "Owney" "The Gopher" Madden, Founder of New York's Cotton Club and was "Don" of the New York
                                            Gopher Gang until 1935 when he "retired" to Hot Springs


Civil War:  Skirmish at Kentucky Community (Hwy 5)
               Battle of Hurricane Creek, (Present Day Bryant)
               Battle of Jenkin's Ferry




Keep 'em coming history fans...this is AWESOME!





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Re: History Near You
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2008, 05:52:53 PM »
Portsmouth Area, UK:-


We have - Royal Naval Historical Dockyard which includes the Mary Rose
HMS Warrior - worlds first ironclad warship
HMS Victory - Nelsons flagship during the Battle of Trafalgar

Palmerstons Follies -built during the Napoleonic wars to stop Portsmouth being invaded - includes 3 forts in the Solent, and multiple hill top forts above Portsmouth.

Lee on Solent - HMS Daedalus - site of Search and Rescue untis in the 2nd world war

Theres also the D-Day Museum, which houses the D-Day Tapestry - basically a lot of panes of tapestry detailing the 2nd world war from beginning to end - took 20 people 5 years to finish

Also have some other cool stuff - that said, once you've seen em once, not a lot else to do

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Re: History Near You
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 06:16:48 PM »
Someday I want to go there wurzel!  It's been a dream ever since seeing "Mutiny On The Bounty" (in black & white) as a kid on Saturday Afternoon movies.

Hang 'em from the yard arm!

And you live RIGHT THERE ya lucky weasel!!!   :aok



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Re: History Near You
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 06:30:21 PM »
Anytime Rox - if ya can get across, you've got a tour guide mate...I'm also good at getting people drunk, and having fun now and then.... :D


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Re: History Near You
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 06:34:14 PM »
I'm in Warszawa (Warsaw).

September 1st, 1939; Poland invaded. Warsaw captured four weeks later.
November 16, 1940: Warsaw Ghetto established (100,000 jews died until 1942, after which another 254,000 sent to tremblinka concentration camp and murdered there).
January 18th, 1943: Warsaw Ghetto uprising.
August 1st, 1944: Warsaw Uprising (18,000 soldiers killed, 25,000 wounded, 200,000 civilians dead, 85% of major european capital city destroyed).

Grandfather from mothers side was in Berlin when it was captured.
Grandfather from fathers side was in the AK (Armia Krajowa) and was active during the Warsaw Uprising. He's still alive today but doesn't like to talk about the war.

The closest 'place' or example with history here in Warsaw that comes to my head is the old city center, where the warsaw uprising started. This city is dotted with ww2 battle grounds, there are monuments in many places that you visit.

The next time you see your grandfather from your father's side, please pass along my offer of "Bóg Błogosławi (czcić) was".   

I'm going to make it a point to get to Poland one day.   Until then, Belvedere, Tyskie or Zywiec are proud drinks to share with my friends. 
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Re: History Near You
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 06:42:43 PM »
The next time you see your grandfather from your father's side, please pass along my offer of "Bóg Błogosławi (czcić) was".   

I'm going to make it a point to get to Poland one day.   Until then, Belvedere, Tyskie or Zywiec are proud drinks to share with my friends. 

Thank you Karaya, I'll make sure I do that.
Speaking of Zywiec, I had two today  :lol
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Re: History Near You
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008, 06:38:15 AM »
Fargo ND pretty light on the history side until you get clear back to early mid 1800's and the Red River Oxcarts, and the first steamer on the red.

However lots of good ol farmboys signed up from this area, and we have a lot of WWII vets still around.
Most of them come from Norwegian or German stock and tend to be a bit stoic about it all.

My own family has a long history of serving. Going back to the Revolutionary war.
The first Jamison in this country (of our family anyway) raised 8 children not far from New York on the Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania. Their oldest son William served as a private in Captain John Loudens Company. After the war he settled in Kentucky.

The latest Jamison to serve was my Nephew Joel Jamison. Who went to West Point on a Hockey Scholarship, served his 6 years with no major problems. He could have made the gulf war but he specialized in logistics, so he was stuck here in the states trying to make sure the boys over in the gulf had what they needed when they needed it.

Other notables include my uncle Dick who was blown of the California during Pearl Harbor but survived to serve out the war with no other close calls.  My Uncle Tom who was in the pacific as a hvy equipment operator. He was wounded at Tarawa and again at Saipan.

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Re: History Near You
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2008, 07:14:12 AM »
Alot.  :)
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Re: History Near You
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2008, 07:23:00 AM »
I live in Plattsburgh, NY and this what happened here.

On September 11, 1814, the Battle of Plattsburgh became the most decisive engagement of the War of 1812. Lieutenant General Sir George Prevost's failed invasion of the United States forced British ground troops back into Canada, and put an end to British plans to seize more American territory.

The fledgling United States navy defeated the world's strongest naval power, on Lake Champlain. As a result, remaining British hopes of creating a homeland in the northwest for its First Nations allies were abandoned.


With an American Embargo Act against the British having been established in 1807, tensions between the U.S. and Great Britain remained high. On June 30, 1814, Governor General of Canada George Prevost received orders to establish a strong presence on Lake Champlain. By possessing exclusive navigation rights on the Great Lakes as well as possession of already conquered American soil, the British would be able to extend their already superior land and sea power.


The primary targets of Plattsburgh and Sacket's Harbor were pinpointed by British prime minister Lord Liverpool. With General Wellington's troops enjoying a decisive victory over Napoleon, they began to shuttle their way into North America by the thousands with great confidence of destroying a patchwork-quilt American militia.


The Americans and British quickly began a shipbuilding race in the months leading up to the battle. Even though U.S. Commander Thomas Macdonough had close ties with the New York shipbuilder Noah Brown, America's chances against the world's best navy still looked like a long shot.

The USS Saratoga was Brown's masterpiece. He launched the 120-foot marvel at the Vergennes shipyard in New York in the spring of 1814. Along with the completion of the Saratoga, the Americans had managed to build the 20-gun brig Eagle, which, amazingly, was completed in a record-breaking 17 days.

The British, however, were not far behind in their own ship-building process. They had managed to launch their newly constructed flagship, the 146-foot Confiance, at Isle aux Noix on the Richelieu River.



By the end of the summer of 1814, Prevost had assembled a strike force of close to 10,000 soldiers, near Montreal. Many of those soldiers were well-trained, battle-hardened regular troops inspired by Wellington's victory over Napoleon in Europe. On September 3, 1814, Prevost's army crossed the Canadian border into New York State.

At dawn on September 11, after having been encamped outside Plattsburgh for five days awaiting the navy, Great Britain's Major General Frederick Philipse Robinson was eager to proceed to the banks of the Saranac River.

While the British army moved down the western side of Lake Champlain, the American troops fell back to Plattsburgh and prepared to make a stand. At the same time, the ships of the British Navy under Captain George Downie moved slowly down the lake.

The U.S. forces at Plattsburgh were commanded by Brigadier General Alexander Macomb. Macomb's untrained volunteers were out-classed, outnumbered, extremely underpowered, and he knew it. If the Brits were to make their land offensive, Macomb had already made plans to blow up the town rather than let the enemy have it.

The Americans were badly outnumbered, but had the support of the U.S. fleet under Thomas Macdonough. Realizing that the British had bigger ships and longer range guns, Macdonough anchored his squadron in Plattsburgh Bay and waited for the British Navy to come to him.


Under tremendous pressure from George Prevost, who was waiting outside Plattsburgh with his army, the British fleet prematurely sailed into battle. For two hours the ships exchanged a series of brutal assaults. Fifteen minutes into the battle, the British commander, George Downie, was decapitated by a 20-pound cannonball.

Macdonough had a few tricks up his sleeve for the British. Remarkably, he was able to winch around his flagship around to deliver a fresh broadside against the British fleet. This stroke of genius made all difference; the British realized they were beaten, and they surrendered.

After the war, Prevost's poorly calculated conduct during the campaign was criticized by a naval court martial. He died before he could clear his name.


Just as Major General Robinson was about to order a free-for-all massacre on Macomb's weak army of mostly farmers, a message was delivered to him stating that the British fleet had been defeated, and giving a direct order from Prevost to make a general retreat.

In disbelief, Robinson's troops (outnumbering the U.S. three to one) turned back for the Canadian border. While the British retreated, a loud cheer of victory could be heard by Macomb's men as they waved their rifles above their heads in excitement.

For the United States, the victory against overwhelming odds at Plattsburgh provided an important boost to national morale, ultimately ending the War of 1812.
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Re: History Near You
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2008, 07:41:04 AM »
And on the other side of the lake(Vermont).

 St. Albans, Vermont, is the site of the northernmost land action in the Civil War,
the St. Albans Raid.
 On October 19, 1864, Confederate raiders, under the command of Lieutenant Bennett H. Young, robbed three banks, escaped to Canada, were captured, and put on trial. The Canadian courts decided they were acting under military orders and they could not be extradited back to the United States without Canada violating her neutrality.

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2008, 07:52:22 AM »
I didnt think there was any history to where I live until a buddy of mine loaned me a book about the revolutionary war.I live in the south of New Jersey rite across the river from Philadelphia PA.We have a long running street name Kings Highway.I think back in the day it was called "The Kings Highway".British troops marched down kings highway when they were trying to clear the area of American troops.We have an old fort called Fort Mercer not far from where I live.The Battle Of Red Bank was fought there.The Patriots used the back water inlets of the New Jersey side of the river to hide theyre small cannon armed boats.They would go out attack the Royal Navy on the Deleware river then go back into hiding.My buddy and his brother would go around looking for artifacts.They found all kinds of old coins and buttons.They even found a stacked set of cannon balls burried in the ground.They had been looking for a site where the Red Coats had a gun battery set up.I cant recall all the details but I was suprised to find out the British actualy marched through my town.The book had a map that showed Kings Highway and the route of the British march.

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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 10:42:24 AM »
As a side to Stage1's:

A private archeologist has discovered the wreck of HMS Ontario not far from where Stage1 lives.  He has posted pictures on the internet and the thing looks pretty much intact!  The guy won't give the location because he fears people might loot the site. 

Can you imagine a fully restored British war sloop meant to wage war on the Great Lakes--eventually on display someday!  :aok   :aok

Me & the missus went to the "Titanic" display in Las Vegas.  Being able to actually touch the ship's horn...priceless  :aok  :aok


(wurzel:  I'll take you up on that historic Portsmouth sight seeing tour, then match you pint for pint until we both stumble off the wharf! :lol  )






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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 01:04:37 PM »
I was born and raised in Yorktown Virginia. The revolutionary war ended there. 15 minutes for Williamsburg and Jamestown. Jamestown was the first permament settlement in the colonies. I lived for a while in Wicomico Va., just across the York River from Yorktown, and that is where Pocahawnas saved Capt.John Smiths head from the chopping block. The old man that owned the property used to let us local kids look for arrowheads over there. Wasn't much at that spot except for a real old chimney.
Back behind our house there was (still is), a graveyard where about a dozen revolutionary and civil war veterns are laid to rest.
As a requirement to make eagle scout in the boy scouts, I wanted to restore it and put it in the national registery of historic places, but the family that owns it wants it left alone. It's sad that the place has to go to pot like that, but I can understand why they wouldn't want folks trampling around their desendants resting place.

As a young man I used to sit in front of General Cornwalles' cave and drink beer, watching the girls on the beach.  :D Cornwalles was the British general and was captured in that cave. One of his flag ships is at the bottom of York River right across from there. They just found it about 20 years ago.

I could go on and on, that area is so full of history and I've always felt so lucky to have grown up there. I have a family now and am living in Iowa and they talk about the Mormon Trail that went through here. I just laugh and say "that's nice".  :lol
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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 01:34:28 PM »
and a big  :salute to Saantanas grandpa. That man went through things that no man should have to endure.
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