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Offline SPKmes

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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2008, 06:07:36 PM »
I thought that is how things were now
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Offline Yeager

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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2008, 11:21:56 PM »
Quote from: Hangtime on July 23, 2008, 05:15:51 PM
Ummm.... what's a load of crap? The satire? Or the situation?
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Satire is for people with gaseous indigestion and no want of reality.  The point being made is a load of crap.  Everyone blames perceived problems (right or wrong) on certain individuals, and although I do not disagree, nor agree, the problem I have is with the inclination that a man is to blame when he was in fact elected by people.  It is the people who did the electing who hold ultimate responsibility.

Its not bush or cheney who is to blame, for whatever problem you want to ascribe to them, but it is the people who elected them who are to blame.  And to those who claim no culpability because they DID NOT vote for them I have no sympathy.  We are in this system of government and the losers must accept the same fate as the winners....for on any given election cycle we are all able to vote morons into office and we must take the good with the bad....or the bad with the bad as so unfortunately seems to be the case repeating itself over and over again.
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2008, 11:36:05 PM »
ahhh... but that pre-supposes that the system of democracy; whereby 51% of the electorate gets to dictate terms to 49%; is not flawed.

But; that's not what's happened to us. The system we have NOW is NOT a democracy... because the folks we elect to those lofty offices cease representing the folks that elected them the moment they arrive in Washington.

We voted 'em in... but they represent the corporate interests that paid for their circus elections.

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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2008, 12:16:14 AM »
Quote from: Hangtime on July 23, 2008, 11:36:05 PM

We voted 'em in... but they represent the corporate interests that paid for their circus elections.

Hang

I hear you.
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2008, 04:54:32 AM »
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It is the people who did the electing who hold ultimate responsibility.

In the case of the President, that would be the Electoral College that holds ultimate responsibility.
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2008, 04:58:16 AM »
Quote from: Hangtime on July 23, 2008, 05:23:56 PM
I'm not for protectionism... just fair trade instead of 'free' trade. If China slaps our goods with a tariff, we should respond with identical tariff's. If they have no tariff on our goods.. then great, no tariff's on theirs.

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If China tries that, we can threaten to stop trading with them. What are they gonna do then? They have to get about 25 million new jobs a year. We're their lifeline.
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2008, 05:00:32 AM »
Quote from: angelsandair on July 24, 2008, 04:58:16 AM
If China tries that, we can threaten to stop trading with them.
Walmart will never allow that to happen.
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2008, 06:19:22 AM »
Hang,

Need help filling those sandbags?
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2008, 08:26:04 AM »
Quote from: angelsandair on July 24, 2008, 04:58:16 AM
If China tries that, we can threaten to stop trading with them. What are they gonna do then? They have to get about 25 million new jobs a year. We're their lifeline.

The US government (notice I didn't say we) borrows about one billion dollars from China per day. So, who is who's lifeline?

If our owners were chinese men rather than occidentals, what would that change ?
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2008, 11:50:27 AM »
Quote from: Suave on July 24, 2008, 08:26:04 AM

If our owners were chinese men rather than occidentals, what would that change ?


#cough#

ummm...  they already DO own us. In fact we can't even cover the interest on the loans anymore; so washington just prints more money.

Care for a nice steaming helping of sweet 'n sour Inflation; anybody?
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2008, 01:17:07 PM »
Can I get that with a side of crushed housing?
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Offline Yeager

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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2008, 01:35:12 PM »
Quote from: Suave on July 24, 2008, 08:26:04 AM
The US government (notice I didn't say we) borrows about one billion dollars from China per day. So, who is who's lifeline?
Heres a little truthism for ya:  If you owe the bank 100,000 dollars, the bank owns you.  If you owe the bank $1,000,000,000....... you OWN the bank.

If we defaulted on our loans it would throw the entire global economy into financial chaos.
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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2008, 02:00:14 PM »
Quote from: Yeager on July 24, 2008, 01:35:12 PM

If we defaulted on our loans it would throw the entire global economy into financial chaos.

US Economy on Life-Support and Global Financial System on Brink of Collapse

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article1473.html

Depending on who's doing the reporting, we're either on the brink or already headed down the slippery slope.

I think I'm gonna spin up some REM... "it's the end of the world as we know it...."

;)

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Re: Just who's driving the bus these days, anyway?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2008, 02:43:30 PM »
Quote from: Hangtime on July 23, 2008, 12:22:17 PM


So; here’s what I’d do if I was a terrorist government bent on destroying America.

Since American Presidents, Congressmen and Senators represent NOT the citizens that voted for them but rather the corporate entities and lobbyists that paid for their elections… I’d have my terrorist sponsors get control of the funds that feed the lobbyists. A few calls to a half a dozen or so interested (and wholly owned) Oil cartels should do the trick… every November we’ll own even more American Lawmakers.
 


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The Chinese have been doing this for years. (shrug)
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