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Offline TracerX

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Axis Reports?
« on: July 26, 2008, 09:05:53 AM »
225 objects destroyed and 130 kills!!  Outstanding job last night guys.  Maybe I should toast my computer every time I have CIC duties.  A new computer kit is on the way from newegg.

I see reports from a few squads.  I am glad the Arados got to target ok, and it looks like the rest of the fighting was evenly matched.  Anyone else want to report?  I just can't get enough info so far.

Offline Saxman

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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2008, 09:31:41 AM »
VMF-251 took off from 75 with the 364th to escort their Arados to Target W. The 364th's C/O unexpectedly never arrived, so while Subway and Qcare took control of organizing their squadron I assumed general flight-planning duties within the last 15 minutes before launch.

VMF-251 had four 262s and four 109s, supplemented by four more 109s from the CHawks. Based on prior planning within my squadron, the 109s would fly an advanced screen at 25k, with the 262s riding top cover slight behind the formation. The 109s were to drag down enemy fighter cover so the 262s could drop on them. Once the Arados could get past the enemy, they would be generally free to hit their targets.

I had the formation launch in two directions: 109s NE to give them a had start, and the jets SW. The formation rallied at 7.4.5 and proceeded N through the corridor bteween Alpha and Bravo.

At 7.11.8 the bombers turned due west into target. We encountered P-51s directly over the objctive, and as planned most were pulled down by the 109s. The 262s largely maintained top cover and chased the remaining 51s away as they singly targeted the Arados. Of the 21 bombers in our charge (with drones for 7 formations, we lost a couple to discos) by my count from the logs only 3-4 (total ships, not formations!) were actually lost to enemy fire. Three formations accounted for massive damage to the target (based on the zone condition at least 60%).

VMF-251 claimed six enemy down, but lost all four 109s during the engagement, and later one 262 (to a flight of Tempests as we were rtb, just feet wet over the channel).

We were greatly benefitted by the enemy CAP staying close to their defense objective, but even without considering the circumstances the results of the strike were exceptional.
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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2008, 11:07:33 AM »
My AAR Posted to the Damned list:

Goose, Blastem, TC and I flew in last night's final frame of this FSO event. Well we got into our pretty jets and alted toward our patrol sector where there was a 30K alt cap. Seemed like we flew around for a long while before seeing anything resembling an NME plane. There were reports here and reports there but every time we'd get there we'd only see a swarm of friendlies. My films showed some Spits way low of us. Finally, I spotted a Jug ahead of me, co-alt heading right to left. I don't think he saw us coming as he began a climb as I got closer. Hosed him with 30mm and he blew up. We spent several more minutes--like a half an hour-- chasing dots that again turned out to be friendlies. We lost TC in through here to disco. Tiring of chasing the dots we thought we might fly outside the box to the West and make some radar rings flash and see if we might turn something up. (Rodan and I did that last week and while we DID flush out some bad guys it had a less than desirable effect! LOL We didn't mean to flush them ALL out!)
 
After a few laps North and South along the coast on one of our South legs we see a dot at our 2 o'clock low which turned out to be a lone Temp. Bored to death by now we're all in on the poor guy. But being so much faster than he it was really hard to get a solution as he'd break away as if it was a Zero vs a Pony. Goose got some shells into him and I see he got the kill (WTG), but by now a pair of his buds had joined from higher. I called an exit East but Blastem didn't get away fast enough and a burst put his plane afire. Goose picked up a ping in one of his fuel tanks too. Even so, Goose and I entertained the Temps for a few passes before retiring to the East with about 20 minutes left in the frame. One of the Temps was higher than I thought and had a bit of speed and closed to within 1K of me spraying away before I noticed him. Luckily, nothing hit me and he dove away West as we continued toward A68 and home.
 
Goose got down safe on fumes and I made a long approach. I've lost a few jets on landing as they're so much faster than the props. Dang things just don't slow down! But I made a nice approach at about 225 mph and touched down at 175 with 4 minutes left only to almost wreck as I applied the brakes. Thing got all tippy on me but I managed to keep it on the runway and didn't lose any parts. They say any landing you walk away from is a good one so I guess this one counts! Was pretty ugly but the guys in the tower were diggin it.
 
And so endeth the "What if there was a Second Battle of Britain".

Our Tally:
 
The Damned
 
blastem
22:06:11 Departed from Field #69 in a Me 262A-1
23:37:30 Was shot down by Sako1.
 
DmdGoose
22:06:13 Departed from Field #69 in a Me 262A-1
23:36:22 Shot down a Tempest flown by Lambo.
23:59:43 Arrived Safely at Field #68
 
Drano
22:06:13 Departed from Field #69 in a Me 262A-1
22:49:05 Shot down a P-47N flown by HILL67.
23:59:22 Arrived Safely at Field #68
 
TC
22:06:14 Departed from Field #69 in a Me 262A-1
22:58:10 Vanished without a trace.
 
 
The Damned stats:

Pilots: 4 Kills: 2 Assists: 0
Obj Destroyed: 0 Deaths: 1 Landed: 2
Bailed: 0 Captured: 0 Crashed: 0
Ditched: 0 Disco'd: 1

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Offline lambo31

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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2008, 12:56:54 PM »
 Yea, I was the lone Temp Drano. I thought I might come across a straggler here and there since it was getting close to the end of the frame. Came across a 190 that give me a fit and got one of my elevators. Shortly after that is when you guys found me. I knew I was in trouble with 3 262's and started calling for my squaddies on vox. Even after Goose blew me away I still had a smile on my face because of the fun I had.


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Offline TracerX

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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2008, 01:11:11 PM »
Excellent work on getting those Arados to target Saxman.  That is fantastic to hear.  I am puzzled that Drano did not see any action though.  The orders said to make sure at least 25 planes were assigned to each patrol sector, and I am sure we covered our sectors with enough.  The plan was to spread out the 262's to as many squads as possible, so the allotment of 64 262's might have seemed like double that number to the enemy.  I am wondering how that played out.  Just having a few jets to call on makes the regular Axis planes that much more threatening I think. 

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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 01:55:29 PM »
The plan was to spread out the 262's to as many squads as possible, so the allotment of 64 262's might have seemed like double that number to the enemy.  I am wondering how that played out.  Just having a few jets to call on makes the regular Axis planes that much more threatening I think. 

The plan was excellent, The Unforgiven worked the dance with 152s and Deuces very well, was allot of fun <S>
I will say the HOing of deuces reached an ALL TIME HIGH in frame 3 ! It was crazy but very fun!   :aok

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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 02:00:44 PM »
let me add Shreck,

Unforgiven flew patrol over the channel east of Dover.  We had 6-262's and 10-152's.  The 262's ran into spits and jugs around cap.  Then our 152's came in at cap a couple minutes later.  So there was a lot of action for  the next 30 minutes.  K2 was in a 152 and downed 7 <S>.  Our 6-262's killed 17.  Squad tally was 32 kills.  We lost 8 brave pilots.

A big salute to the FSO Staff!

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Offline Delirium

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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2008, 02:22:55 PM »
The plan was to spread out the 262's to as many squads as possible, so the allotment of 64 262's might have seemed like double that number to the enemy.  I am wondering how that played out.  Just having a few jets to call on makes the regular Axis planes that much more threatening I think. 

Good to see you gents took my advice... really no reason the Axis should lose this FSO at all.

It makes absolutely no sense... with reduced icon range, the 262s should be cleaning house.

The Axis best bet is to leave them in groups of 3s and attach them to regular prop a/c squadrons, a pack of 262s is nice but not terribly effective.
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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2008, 02:45:44 PM »
VMF-251's 262s didn't fare well as far as kill tally, (5 of our 6 kills were by the 109s). Part of it was the 262s didn't commit to the general furball once the 109s mixed it up with the 51s and we were mostly satisfied chasing them away from the bombers, but it was also gunnery related. The 30mm have such poor ballistics, muzzle velocity and rate of fire targets were slipping right through our bullet stream. I'd have claimed at LEAST two 51s and maybe two others on snapshots if I'd had a nose full of .50cal or Hispanos, or even the German 12.7mm or 20mm, but instead they threaded right between the shells and got away.
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Re: Axis Reports?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 03:57:41 PM »
1st, <<S>> to the guys flyin axis, an to Saxman an his guys, ty for the help an escort. i want to apologize for runnin late an gettin there last sec. i was stuck on the expressway an made it in 1 min till 8 pst. our co has been very busy last couple weeks catchin up on some work. he told  me ahead of time an it is on me why the chawks weren't 100% prepared, but my guys pulled it together an w/ the other squads helpin, we didnt do too bad.
But i just wanted to clear up that our CO wasnt MIA, he was workin like adog an due to traffic i was late, which i take full responsibility for.   adapt, improvise, an overcome, is the only thing we could do an imo the guys on our run, Chawks an escorts, did a great job.  we dont need to win, just to try an have a good time doin it  :rock

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