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Offline Cthulhu

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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2008, 08:53:53 AM »
PBY would be far more useful for the resupply reasons mentioned. But I have another observation... Damn nice diorama.:aok "Water" can be a royal pain, but this guy did an outstanding job. :aok

There was also a floatplane version of the N1K, in fact the N1K series of land planes were developed from the floatplane IIRC. However the only real benefit of any floatplane, fighter or bomber, in the MA would be the ability to launch from a port. Any of them would be inferior to their land/CV plane equivalents in that enviroment and would end up as hangar queens.
Greebo, you're right about the N1K, it originally was a floatplane. (weird huh?) However, later PBY's were amphibians with landing gear, so they wouldn't be limited to ports. In fact, PBY's would be ideal for resupplying CV groups.
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2008, 09:53:54 AM »
The floatplane version of the N1K, the "Rex", was a high-performance aircraft that gave all but the top-end Allied fighters fits.

The float did impair performance, but in a desperate situation, the float could be jettisoned, and the Rex (floatless) became an extremely dangerous aircraft, since it no longer had the weight and drag of the float, or the weight of the internal landing gear mechanisms. Thus, it became a lightweight fighter with extreme maneuverablity, capable of dealing with a Corsair, F6F, or P-51 on more than equal terms. The drawback is, of course, that you have to belly it in somewhere if you manage to survive the encounter.

This is what prompted the IJN to convert the aircraft into a true fighter design. The N1K1 and N1K2 (low wing and mid-wing Nikis) were both not as maneuverable as the floatless Rex because of the added weight of the landing gear, but were still formidable fighters.

The Rufe was not as lucky. Yes, it was used in combat, and it could turn as well as a Zero at lower speeds. It was heavier, had higher wing loading, and was slower than the A6M, but it could still hold it's own against F4Fs. In fact, performance of the two was actually pretty evenly matched.

I think that a PBY, Piper Cub/L-4, Dornier Do-24, Storch or other a/c of that type in-game would be great, not only for flying in supplies, but having the ability to fly out and pick up a ditched pilot, bringing him home and allowing him to land his kills.

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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2008, 10:26:08 AM »
Adding this and the PBY with extra zoom capability for recon operations and sea borne re-supplying capabilities would be defineatly adding a new dimension to the game.  I like it.

The Jap plane as suggested would be able to deliver supplies on a scale like the jeep (maybe no troopd and 2X veh supps and 1/2 credit for field supps), and the PBY on a scale similar to the C47 (minus the troops).


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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2008, 11:28:08 AM »
Its a zero with a friggin canoe glued to it, ill take a pass...
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2008, 11:42:44 AM »
However the only real benefit of any floatplane, fighter or bomber, in the MA would be the ability to launch from a port. Any of them would be inferior to their land/CV plane equivalents in that enviroment and would end up as hangar queens.

Bingo....but lets say the port is under attack....the CV has been sunk already and the nearest airfield is 1 1/2 to 2 sectors away....M3s and Goons and LVTs are rolling on the port.... Ah my imagination  :lol
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2008, 05:51:20 PM »


I think that a PBY, Piper Cub/L-4, Dornier Do-24, Storch or other a/c of that type in-game would be great, not only for flying in supplies, but having the ability to fly out and pick up a ditched pilot, bringing him home and allowing him to land his kills.

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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2008, 06:53:30 PM »
A6M2N. We have the A6M2 in game, so we already know the ammo load outs, which are 2 crappy 20mm cannons (copies of the Oerlikon MG/FF in the 109E and Bf110C) and 2 7.7mm machine guns.
From what he posted, this would be a bigger, slower, heavier A6M2.
So negitive, what would you expect from a float plane? I would still be better than just having this 1 VH that can be destroyed easy as pie, am I wrong?
Course there are some ports that have feilds, but thats only 1 map in the game right now.
I agree with this, it could upgrade the japaneese arsenal, and give an addition to the weak ports.
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2008, 07:06:21 PM »
did the floats take away any speed or turning ablity?
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2008, 09:01:02 PM »
did the floats take away any speed or turning ablity?

now what do you think....something that big and heavy isnt gonna take away any speed or add drag??  :lol
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2008, 11:18:00 PM »
Added weight in every aspect of flight. Roll, climb dive..turning.
Imagine, the weight and control loss you get with a 250lb bomb under your plane, well..this thing would do the exact same thing, maby even more.

Long story short, it would make your zeke a pig.

Unless maby these zekes had better performance than the ones we have? hence such additions would not hamper it as much as i would think. (?)


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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2008, 11:23:06 PM »
Added weight in every aspect of flight. Roll, climb dive..turning.
Imagine, the weight and control loss you get with a 250lb bomb under your plane, well..this thing would do the exact same thing, maby even more.

Long story short, it would make your zeke a pig.

Unless maby these zekes had better performance than the ones we have? hence such additions would not hamper it as much as i would think. (?)



According to wiki the engine power of the A6M2N is actually lower than that of the A6M2 that we have. I guess a more gas efficient engine was required since it's a seaplane.

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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2008, 06:17:40 PM »
its a grate i dea beets my idea

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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2008, 07:15:42 PM »
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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2008, 11:46:07 PM »
i like the idea better than a b29 because it can land on water only problem are cv's pt's and those tanks that float.

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Re: New plane a must (not b29)
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2008, 11:44:30 AM »
Its a zero with a friggin canoe glued to it, ill take a pass...
Zero sux, and I doubt its squid cousin is any better.

It's great for base defence and furballing when your carrier is right off shore of an enemy base. It's the best turner as far as fighters go and the guns aren't as bad as you might think.
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