That does it I'm voting for Obama..

[Slamfire]

Exactly how many of the  democrat presidents have we had now and you still have your guns, yes?

THERE is your real threat to the second.
Not Obama

There has NEVER BEEN a more Anti-Second Amendment Presidential Candidate Than Barrack Hussein Obama.  Please, don't take my word for it, read what the nation's #1 Second Amendment Protection Organization has to say about him.

BTW, he currently has an "F" rating with the NRA.  If he was no threat to the 2nd Amendment, the NRA would endorse him.

Barrack Obama's Ten Point Plan to "Change" The Second Amendment

1- Ban use of firearms for home defense
2- Pass Federal laws eliminating your Right-to-Carry
3- Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns
4- Close down 90% of the gun shops in America
5- Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
6- Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent
7- Restore voting right for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime
8- Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms
9- Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm
10- Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who share his views on the Second Amendment

SOURCE:  The NRA

On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

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FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.[1]

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.[2]

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.[3]

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership[.2]

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.[4]

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.[5]

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.[6]

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.[7]

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”[8]

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.[9]

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.[10]

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.[11]

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.[12]

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.[13]

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.[2]

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.[14]

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.[9]

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.[9]

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.[9]

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.[9]


<sup>References
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1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)</sup>
SOURCE:  The NRA

[DREDIOCK]

Oh, and the threat of the Obamessiah to the 2nd is not what he'll try to push through Congress.

 Gonzales v. Raich (medical marijuana) individuals lost rights and government powers expanded. In BOTH of those cases, the Liberal judges of the court provided the majority.



Now, even though your state passes a medical marijuana law allowing use with a prescription, the Feds can still arrest you.

Go ahead, vote against individual freedom and rights; vote the Obamessiah. You'll get what you deserve.

Pretty interesting inasmuch as its usually the Dems who push for allowing Medical Marijuana and its typically the Reps fighting against it.

I loose freedoms and rights no matter which way I vote.
I vote Dem. and I loose what you mentioned.
I vote Rep and I have tyrannical nonsense like the Patriot Act and my daughter potentially looses rights, and I get right winged morality crap shoved down my throat.
Its a matter of would you rather drink hemlock Or cyanide

And lately the rights becoming just as overbloated and overbearing as the left

I'm sick of loosing to both sides.

But I hope you will excuse me if I choose not to run around like Chicken Little screaming "the sky is falling" based on the rhetoric of either side.
Each side spews their crap. Neither side has proven to be able to do much of anything worthwhile or worthy of neither my respect or support.

Neither side is for "America" and each side supports big business while letting the little guy swing in the breeze.
Its whatever they have to say or do to get their party into power.

sorry. Im not buying it from either side

[DREDIOCK]

And we aLL know that because it says "FACT" in front if it.
It must be.

and the NRA is beyond reproach 

[shakey6]

There has NEVER BEEN a more Anti-Second Amendment Presidential Candidate Than Barrack Hussein Obama.  Please, don't take my word for it, read what the nation's #1 Second Amendment Protection Organization has to say about him.

BTW, he currently has an "F" rating with the NRA.  If he was no threat to the 2nd Amendment, the NRA would endorse him.

lmao. source, plz.

[crockett]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/08/obama-says-he-h.html

I don't care much about the global warming reasons why this should be done, but If he can reduce our dependency on Middle East oil and Venezuela as promised he's got my vote.   

 

Granted I will likely vote for Obama, but I'm far from being a Koolaid drinker who thinks we will be riding unicorns and dancing if he's elected. However it would be nice if he does put the focus on actually making this country energy independent.

However I never really believe anything politicians say while running for office reguardless of what party they are with. After all George Bush Jr promised me he was going to get rid of the IRS and put a flat tax in place.. Not only once but in both elections..  

[Slamfire]

lmao. source, plz.

http://www.nraila.org/obama/

[Slamfire]

And we aLL know that because it says "FACT" in front if it.
It must be.

and the NRA is beyond reproach 

The facts are all annotated with references - feel free to follow the sources - they came from the media and not from the NRA.

[Toad]

Pretty interesting inasmuch as its usually the Dems who push for allowing Medical Marijuana and its typically the Reps fighting against it.

Gonzales v. Raich: Majority opinion delivered by Stevens, joined by Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer. These comprise the liberal group on the court. Justice Scalia issued separate concurrence, shaming himself IMO.

Kelo v New London: Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the majority opinion; he was joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer. 

Suprise, suprise. The answer to "what is the greatest threat to my rights and liberty?" is right there in front of you. The liberals on the SC never miss a chance to expand Federal power far beyond the intent of the Founders.

I loose freedoms and rights no matter which way I vote.

Yep. That's why I'm voting Libertarian. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

I vote Dem. and I loose what you mentioned.
I vote Rep and I have tyrannical nonsense like the Patriot Act and my daughter potentially looses rights, and I get right winged morality crap shoved down my throat.

You will lose far more if The Obamessiah fills the vacancies on the SC rather than McCain. McCain's choices will suck because McCain is not really a conservative and he'll be dealing with a Democratically controlled Senate.  The Obamessiah's will be far, far worse as he is an extreme liberal. That's not in doubt; it's proven by his time in the IL Senate and his short time in the US Senate.

Its a matter of would you rather drink hemlock Or cyanide

It's more like do you want to cut off your hand (McCain) or drink cyanide (Obamessiah)

I'm sick of loosing to both sides.

There will be no change until the two dominating parties feel a threat from a third party. Vote Libertarian.

But I hope you will excuse me if I choose not to run around like Chicken Little screaming "the sky is falling" based on the rhetoric of either side.
Each side spews their crap. Neither side has proven to be able to do much of anything worthwhile or worthy of neither my respect or support.

Neither side is for "America" and each side supports big business while letting the little guy swing in the breeze.
Its whatever they have to say or do to get their party into power.

sorry. Im not buying it from either side

You can pretend they are equally bad choices. It's not true. I will agree they are both bad choices but they are not equally bad. The Obamessiah will appoint the absolute worst sort of judges to the SC and they will serve for their lifetimes. The President proposes, Congress disposes but the Supreme Court RULES. It is in the SC that your Constitutional rights will either be extinguished or preserved.

[Toad]

gibberish.  the future is free, elder amphibian.

So you always preface your comments with a categorization? Interesting habit.

[shakey6]

So you always preface your comments with a categorization? Interesting habit.

With all the AADD these days, well, .. you know.  Still with me?

[Toad]

Nah, not with you. What other shades did you use here?

[Chalenge]

I don't care much about the global warming reasons why this should be done, but If he can reduce our dependency on Middle East oil and Venezuela as promised he's got my vote.   
 

This is exactly why the public should not vote in these elections. If Americans are stupid enough to vote for this moron then they deserve what they are going to get.

[stephen]

Vote for Obama you idiot, geesus, you people will never learn...

[angelsandair]

you people will never learn...

You people?! This is why we should all vote for Obama! Racism!! 

[mg1942]

I notice there are 2 camps here...

The Obama koolaid and the Hater-rade