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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #300 on: August 11, 2008, 07:11:34 AM »
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Lets hope Russia wipes out the entire Georgian airforce. Maybe its about time they occupy Georgia and gets rid of their President too.

Stop trolling and be serious. Back in 1938+, perhaps you would have cheered on Hitler as he occupied the Sudetenland?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #301 on: August 11, 2008, 07:20:20 AM »
Stop trolling and be serious. Back in 1938+, perhaps you would have cheered on Hitler as he occupied the Sudetenland?


I am serious. A president that plays his cards like he has and then seriously expects support from the US and NATO after he has made a fool of himslef is dangerous to its neighbours and his own population. He started this was and we dont need that kind of twit pulling in the skirt of NATO.


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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #302 on: August 11, 2008, 07:38:58 AM »
Putin and his cabal are preferrable, with an even greater stranglehold on Europe's energy sources?

Aside from that, there is a principle of sovereignty at stake. Would you have supported Hitler's march into the Sudetenland?

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #303 on: August 11, 2008, 07:53:26 AM »
Putin and his cabal are preferrable, with an even greater stranglehold on Europe's energy sources?

Aside from that, there is a principle of sovereignty at stake. Would you have supported Hitler's march into the Sudetenland?



South Ossetia wants to be free of georgia and as a freedom lover i think they should get their wish and not get bombed by Georgia.

I support Russia 100% in defending the citizens of South Ossetia from the Georgian assault.

Sudentland and South Ossetia can not be compared. SO has a _____far____ larger population of Russians that wants to be free from Georgia than was the case in Sudentlend.

I assume you distance yourself from your attack on Irak and do not support your own regime on that matter.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #304 on: August 11, 2008, 08:18:54 AM »
Early Lessons from S Ossetia conflict.

1. Do not punch a bear on the nose unless it is tied down.   :lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7553390.stm


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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #305 on: August 11, 2008, 08:20:24 AM »
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I assume you distance yourself from your attack on Irak and do not support your own regime on that matter.
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Check my posts back in 2003. I was against going into Iraq and believed then (as I do now) that we should have focused on Afghanistan, for which we had causus belli in the form of non-cooperation on the capture of Bin Laden, responsible for the WTC atrocities. Afghanistan gave tacit, material support to an attack on the US.

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Sudentland and South Ossetia can not be compared. SO has a _____far____ larger population of Russians that wants to be free from Georgia than was the case in Sudentlend.

They can't be compared? Let's look at the facts. The Ossetians and Russians cite 'Georgiafication' - as do many in this thread. The Sudetenland contained 3 million Germans - 98% of which voted for the Nazis in the Czech elections of 1938. The Sudetenland had more Nazi party members than anywhere in the Reich at nearly twice the average. They saw themselves as German.

The Czechs broke their promise to make their newly-established country multinational, modelled after Switzerland. Instead, they set out on a policy of Czechization, conducted as follows:
  
1.Against the German language and culture by closing down Germanschools and by declaring Czech the only official language to be used in all communications with the authorities;

2. by ousting Germans from civil service jobs and in enterprises owned and controlled by the government;

3. by curbing the German economy and taking over German firms into Czech ownership;

4. by restricting the powers of local government in the German-speaking towns and districts.


Given that the Sudetenland was exclusively German, I think the parallels with Ossetia are remarkable. By yours and the logic of others in this thread, Hitler was right. Here's his mandate and the response of the international community at the time:

"The Nazis, together with their Sudeten German allies, demanded incorporation of the region into Nazi Germany to escape "oppression", in fact to destroy the Czechoslovak state. While the Czechoslovak government mobilized its troops, the Western powers urged it to comply with Germany believing that they could prevent or postpone a general war by appeasing Hitler."

Has a familiar ring to it, somehow?

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #306 on: August 11, 2008, 08:36:47 AM »
I belive those who start wars shal lose them. And in this case Georgia did. I rest my case as i dont have time or will to go page up and down on this matter. If you wish you can claim victory in the debate. I dont care about winning arguments here.

Lets just hope the fighting stops soon and agree on that.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #307 on: August 11, 2008, 09:21:39 AM »
Iraq started the Persian Gulf war with Iran, was on the verge of losing it but eventually won with direct US intervention. A far reaching comparision, but a comparison none the less

South Ossetia is still soveriegn Georgian territory despite the Russians efforts to rule by proxy, and this is far more than just the glorious Russian cossack cavalry coming to the aid of poor Russian peasants against a oppressive regime and their cowboy president.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #308 on: August 11, 2008, 09:51:06 AM »
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Russian troops have entered Georgia from the breakaway region of Abkhazia, reaching the town of Senaki, officials from both Russia and Georgia say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7554507.stm

Geee looks like Georgia is plagued by breakaway regions....
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #309 on: August 11, 2008, 09:55:35 AM »
So when do the parallels with Serbia end? I don't recall NATO tanks rolling on Belgrade or any part of non-breakaway/disupted territory - but I'm willing to be proved wrong. It seems Russia is heading that way.

Someone needs to tell the Russians to back off. Now.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #310 on: August 11, 2008, 10:02:07 AM »
So, what are y'all going to do when Mexico steps in and marches their troops across your border in defence of their citizens being abused in the USA? Since there is this precedent thing and all...:lol
I bet you'd have a field day! :D We'd have a New Texas down there below the existing one within a few months! :rofl How many more stars can you guys fit on that flag anyhow? :devil

What?

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #311 on: August 11, 2008, 10:15:50 AM »


http://www.youtube.com/watch?eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnwshp%3Fie%3DUTF-8&tab=wn&v=UfA5XfxQOPw

Watching what Putin got to say above and all the scandal in last days about false intel used as pretext for the war in Iraq , i think this war is also  another proof of president Bush failure in  international policy on top of economic , immigration failure. Why did he  used  2000 georgian troops in Iraq, baiting them with NATO membership ,if this poor small country  is not yet NATO member and are not acting under UN flag, if he knows he can't pay back their services when needed? just to show a "Coalition" in Iraq and  encourage them against Russia? 

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #312 on: August 11, 2008, 10:29:17 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnwshp%3Fie%3DUTF-8&tab=wn&v=UfA5XfxQOPw

Watching what Putin got to say above and all the scandal in last days about false intel used as pretext for the war in Iraq , i think this war is also  another proof of president Bush failure in  international policy on top of economic , immigration failure. Why did he  used  2000 georgian troops in Iraq, baiting them with NATO membership ,if this poor small country  is not yet NATO member and are not acting under UN flag, if he knows he can't pay back their services when needed? just to show a "Coalition" in Iraq and  encourage them against Russia? 


Why did Bush use Georgian troops in Iraq? When did Bush become commander in chief of the UN? Could not any member of the UN voluntarily particpate in a UN action? Even if Bush did encourage Georgia to stand against the Russian empire so what? If only one man stands against evil should he not only because he is alone and the threat is great?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #313 on: August 11, 2008, 10:31:55 AM »
They should both back off while things cool down a bit. UN?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #314 on: August 11, 2008, 10:32:20 AM »
Sounds like a '4 year old' try'n to justfiy his actions because some other kid did it, so that makes it ok...

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