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Offline Chalenge

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Re: More guys in ninja suits...
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2008, 02:31:41 PM »
A K9 is considered an officer of the law and yes you will be prosecuted.

http://www2.ci.harrisonburg.va.us/index.php?id=818

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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2008, 03:06:20 PM »
Well, I couldn't find any links saying anyone was specifically charged with murder. But in most cases they were charged for the the deaths of the dog. One resulting in a 20 year sentence.

In most of the cases I read about, the suspects were pulled over at the time, and the dogs were released on them. In one case in Florida, the Police released Oozi the German Shepherd on a suspect and  it resulted in a tussle between the suspect and the dog, the police thought they witnessed the suspect reaching for gun when they opened fire on the suspect and dog.

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Lewis, of Lauderhill, has been charged with aggressive fleeing and eluding, aggravated assault with a motor vehicle, resisting arrest with violence and being principal to injure or kill a police dog.

Neither the Sheriff's Office nor Miami-Dade police would say whether any weapon was found on Lewis or in his car.


Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said Lewis is responsible for the dog's death regardless of who fired the fatal shot because of his actions that led to the confrontation.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-718oozi,0,2242190.story


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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2008, 03:32:33 PM »
you people don't understand, when you have swat teams ( and every PD has to have them) you must use them or lose your funding.


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Re: More guys in ninja suits...
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2008, 03:41:22 PM »
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A K9 is considered an officer of the law and yes you will be prosecuted.

People consider their dogs family members too. So maybe the officers in this case should also be prosecuted for murdering 2 valued members of this family.


Nah, that will never happen....these types of things are NEVER a two way street, only private citizens can be prosecuted in this manner.  :rolleyes:
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Re: More guys in ninja suits...
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2008, 05:03:21 PM »
                         
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2008, 05:14:43 PM »
Shoot my Labs, I absolutely guarantee a high volume of return fire. And I don't use no pansy .223 either.


you would surely die yourelf in this action? i have a lab/spaniel cross, he has been with us since birth over ten years ago and i truly know your love, but would it be worth dying for? Suppose it depends if you have extended family that would miss you really. I would like to think i had the restraint not to attack back, i am not certain i could hold it in practice though.


you people don't understand, when you have swat teams ( and every PD has to have them) you must use them or lose your funding.


go go go go downontheflordownontheflor.  oh yeah we bad we bad.

 :lol funny.... yet sadly true. the bastards over here do it with road works..... 'mend' the perfect road, tear it up, mend it again with new reflectors on the cat's eyes, 6 months later tear it all up and put back to how it was first.
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Re: More guys in ninja suits...
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2008, 08:03:05 PM »
In Louisiana its legal to shoot anyone who breaks into your house and if you are a law abidding citizen you have no reason to fear a cop of doing so[ at least thats how it used to be]. If I'm at home and someone breaks in the door, they are gonna be staring down the barrle of a .45 automatic.
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2008, 10:29:34 PM »
This reminds me of another incident where a family dog was killed by police while the family looked on. :cry

These people were innocent also.

As a dog lover I was unable to watch the video to the end and hear the anguished cries of that poor family. :mad:

I hope this post violates no BBS rules.
If so,sorry Skuzzy.  :pray

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0T2X1dXcI

Video shows police killing dog

Family considering legal action against police, highway patrol

COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked as officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop.

The Smoak family was pulled over the evening of January 1 on Interstate 40 in eastern Tennessee by officers who mistakenly suspected them of a carjacking. An investigation showed James Smoak had simply left his wallet on the roof of his car at a gas station, and motorists who saw his money fly off the car as he drove away called police.

The family was driving through eastern Tennessee on their way home from a New Year trip to Nashville. They told CNN they are in the process of retaining a lawyer and considering legal action against the Cookeville, Tennessee, Police Department and the Tennessee Highway Patrol for what happened to them and their dog.

In the video, released by the highway patrol, officers are heard ordering the family, one by one, to get out of their car with their hands up. James Smoak and his wife, Pamela, and 17-year-old son Brandon are ordered onto their knees and handcuffed.

"What did I do?" James Smoak asks the officers.

"Sir, inside information is that you was involved in some type of robbery in Davidson County," the unidentified officer says.

Smoak and his wife protest incredulously, telling the officers that they are from South Carolina and that their mother and father-in-law are traveling in another car near them.

The Smoaks told CNN that as they knelt, handcuffed, they pleaded with officers to close the doors of their car so their two dogs would not escape, but the officers did not heed them.

Pamela Smoak is seen on the tape looking up at an officer, telling him slowly, "That dog is not mean. He won't hurt you."

Her husband says, "I got a dog in the car. I don't want him to jump out."

The tape then shows the Smoaks' medium-size brown dog romping on the shoulder of the Interstate, its tail wagging. As the family yells, the dog, named Patton, first heads away from the road, then quickly circles back toward the family.

An officer in a blue uniform aims his shotgun at the dog and fires at its head, killing it immediately.

For several moments, all that is audible are shrieks as the family reacts to the shooting. James Smoak even stands up, but officers pull him back down.

"Y'all shot my dog! Y'all shot my dog!" James Smoak cries. "Oh my God! God Almighty!"

"You shot my dog!" screams his wife, distraught and still handcuffed. "Why'd you kill our dog?"

"Jesus, tell me, why did y'all shoot my dog?" James Smoak says.

The officers bring him to the patrol car, and the family calms down, but still they ask the officers for an explanation. One of them says Patton was "going after" the officer.

"No he wasn't, man," James Smoak says. "Y'all didn't have to kill the dog like that."

Brandon told CNN that Patton, was playful and gentle -- "like Scooby-Doo" -- and may have simply gone after the beam of the flashlight as he often did at home, when Brandon and the dog would play.

The Tennessee Department of Safety, which oversees the Highway Patrol, has said an investigation is underway.
'Could have been avoided'

Cookeville Police Chief Robert Terry released a statement on the department's Web site Wednesday night describing the department's regret over the incident. The Cookeville Police Department site was not responding Thursday morning.

"I know the officer wishes that circumstances could have been different so he could have prevented shooting the dog," Terry wrote. "It is never gratifying to have to put an animal down, especially a family pet, and the officer assures me that he never displayed any satisfaction in doing so."

Terry said he and the vice-mayor of Cookeville met with the family before they left "to convey our deepest sympathies" for the loss of their dog.

"No one wants to experience this kind of thing, and it's very unfortunate that it occurred," he wrote. "If we had the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure some -- if not all of this -- could have been avoided. I believe the Tennessee Highway Patrol feels the same way."

The department is conducting an investigation to determine what, if anything, could have been done differently, he said. Police also plan to be in contact with the Smoak family, Terry said.

The Smoaks buried their pet at home. A white cross marks the grave.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/09/police.kill.dog/

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Re: More guys in ninja suits...
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2008, 11:19:37 AM »

you would surely die yourelf in this action? i have a lab/spaniel cross, he has been with us since birth over ten years ago and i truly know your love, but would it be worth dying for? tear it all up and put back to how it was first.


We're ALL going to die; the only question is why, how and when.

If I had to pick a reason, I'd say defending the 4th Amendment is as good as any. Death by bullet is as good as any, better than most. The problem is that 75% of the cops can't shoot to save their bellybutton so they'd have to gnaw you to death with 70-100 rounds like the NYC cops do. As for when, I'd say when the government breaks down your door and kills your dogs for no good reason, that'd be a fine time.

This toejam has to stop some where. The line has to be drawn... again. The shot at Lexington is still known as the "shot heard round the world".
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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2008, 11:53:00 AM »
Oh boy all the Internet killers are engaged in their latest "shoot the no-knocking cop" thread. I can just see you guys frothing at the mouth while sitting in front of your workstations in your jam-jams, fondling your favorite .45 .

And all it takes is a headline. Yaknow I get coffee at a gas station in the morning and watch people as they pick up their newspapers, read the headlines, and make all their comments. Its actually quite fascinating to observe the power of a headline to shape public opinion even in a free society. All a news source had to do is say it, or frame it, in a way their customers want to hear it and they get an instant sale. And nothing sells better then something negative about the Police. Thousands of careers have been made by people doing exactly that. Anyway, thats what I do. I watch people. I spend countless hours watching people.

And while it fascinates me it also frightens me that people are so supremely stupid they will go thru their day repeating some news headline like its the Gospel truth. Even in a free society they are that stupid.

Which is why I believe in the science of evolution and not the religious one. Because the religious one states that we are made in Gods image and I dont believe God could possibly be that stupid. If he is then we are all in big trouble.

So I will leave this thread to all the cop killers and revolutionaries.  :lol

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« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2008, 12:08:09 PM »

you would surely die yourelf in this action? i have a lab/spaniel cross, he has been with us since birth over ten years ago and i truly know your love, but would it be worth dying for? Suppose it depends if you have extended family that would miss you really. I would like to think i had the restraint not to attack back, i am not certain i could hold it in practice though.

Yes, he'd likely die. He'd also not hesitate. That's the difference between sheeple and Men.

... of course, since your a 'subject' of the crown; your familiarity with the concept is purely historical, abstract at best. It's kinda sad... from 'Hearts of Oak' to souls of pudding. And so goes the Empire, enh; wot?

Here, the concept is not abstract... this victim had no reason to believe his home and family were under attack.. or would be. Give Toad and the folks like him here even the slightest inkling he's going to be next; I suspect he won't be waiting for them... he and others like us will be 'on the road to concord green'.

Oh boy all the Internet killers are engaged in their latest "shoot the no-knocking cop" thread. I can just see you guys frothing at the mouth while sitting in front of your workstations in your jam-jams, fondling your favorite .45 .


Yes, I'm aware there are Sheeple like you living amongst us. Pitiful creatures, willing to sacrifice freedom for 'security'. The urbane law-abiding sheeple that just had his dogs murdered and his home invaded is NOW intimately aware of the price of handing to a federal agency the authority to do these things to the citizens of their quiet towns and suburbs.

I wonder if he's a fan of the system now?

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Offline john9001

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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2008, 12:23:57 PM »
hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.

protect and serve?

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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2008, 12:46:05 PM »
hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.

protect and serve?

Could be. The majority of cops are just normal guys; doing a job; working in their community.

Then there's the cops that have been 'screeened' into more aggressive roles. For them, instant escalation when any hint of a threat is discerned is typical... (like a big happy pooch with a wagging tail) and at that moment the concept of 'us' and 'them' crystallizes. After an event like this conducted by a local cop, he's forever; in the eyes of the community he ostensibly serves, a killer.

Which is why these 'ops' guys wear masks. If any cop; ever; is faced with the choice of going on an 'operation' where a 'mask' is required; & he then dons that mask and goes out to usurp the rights of citizens, then he's the enemy... in his own mind, as well as in mine.

..and the gloves come off. He's there for the bear; and I'll oblige the challenge. I'll likely lose; but I'll fight.

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 02:42:55 PM »
hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.

protect and serve?

Gagagagagagagagagaga gaga :lol
And now weve reach the point where everyone of these types of threads eventually end up at.

And thats Gaga. Gagas babbling Gaga.
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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2008, 03:01:00 PM »
hang, i think rich46yo is one of them, the dog killers.

protect and serve?

Thats what he says anyways.....

We have several LEO and former LEO folks on this board that are highly respected....Rich just ain't one of them.  ;)
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