Not really, you're the guys justifying this, I couldnt gieve a poope.
The above tread is an interesting demonstration of the primary social methodology, which take place in AH>..
GROUP THINK...
I. Definition of Groupthink
A. Groupthink is the tendency to place relational concerns of group unity ahead of task concern for effective performance.
B. Groupthink manifests itself in the tendency of a group to seek unanimous agreement at the expense of careful, thorough, and critical analysis of the information, ideas, proposals, and reasoning upon which a consequential decision rests.
II. Conditions for "Groupthink"
A. Highly cohesive group
B. Members enjoy each other's company
C. Strong desire/motivation to be part of the group
D. Group is characterized by insularity
III. Symptoms (Indicators) of "Groupthink"
A. Illusion of invulnerability -- we are incapable of being wrong
B. Rationalization -- the ends justifies the means
C. Inherent morality -- what we're doing is best for everyone
D. Stereotypical thinking -- employ preconceived notions in evaluating information
E. Close-mindedness -- ignore information that does not confirm or support the prevailing opinions of group members
F. Mind guards -- group members who take it upon themselves to protect the group from information that contradicts prevailing opinion
G. Pressure on dissenters -- group members aggressive "go after" colleagues who disagree with the general sentiments of the group
H. Self-censorship -- group members willingly refrain from voicing opposition to the prevailing sentiments of the group
I. Illusion of unanimity -- the belief that silence is an indication of agreement************************************************************
(the above pulled from
http://www.uiowa.edu/~c036011a/groupthink.htm for more on this subject)
Trikky, it is point less to argue with the fools which live here, and give each other cyber fellatio, less you become one move victim of these losers... HT has walled this community - he's not going to care much what you, or I think anyway or stop these camp followers from making love muffines of them selfs, who lack sportsmanship, character and only grief others with a hateful mind set, a culture now embeded, which now has has taken all to fun out of this game... as well as the double standards, and inconsistent enforcement of the rulez, where some are punish for beahovoer that others are allowed to engage in. (see Orwell's work about farm animals for more understand of "all are equal...) any way, It's not fun any more so, there are other places to to go spend time and have fun.
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NOW to answer the question the Peanut gallery will blurt out, is...
don't let the door kick you in the uncle and get the hell out...
I say, even though I don't invest any more of my time and bucks here, I had paid my dues and played this game for nearly 8 years paying, HT thousand plus dollars, so to the Muppets men and other juvenile miscreants who who think this is private bath house, I say, I reserve my right to lurk, read, and to respond as the spirit moves my fingers on my keyboard. Now have fun making fools of your self while I watch and laugh..
Chi
Ps some more for the enlightenment of of the ignorant...
Two types of group climates (Gibb, 1961)
A. Defensive Climate -- group environment characterized by perceived negativity, intimidation, fear, and threat.
1. Group interaction is characterized by the frequent occurrence of PERSONALIZED EVALUATION -- i.e., comments that make fun of other people's ideas, or connect the criticism of an idea with the source of the idea.
Ex: "You're kidding, right? I sure hope so because that has to be the dumbest idea I have ever heard!"
2. Group interaction is characterized by the frequent occurrence of CONTROLLING behavior -- i.e., comments that make others feel that they are being pushed around or told what to do.
Ex: "I'm sure what Randy meant to say was that the budget should be $2,500. Right Randy?"
3. Group interaction is characterized by frequent occurence of STRATEGIC behavior -- i.e., comments that make others feel that they are being manipulated or that there is an ulterior motive or hidden agenda present.
Ex: "I'm hoping you support me as group leader . . . after all I've done for you in the past."
4. Group interaction is characterized by frequent displays of SUPERIORITY -- i.e., comments that make you feel that others in the group thinks they are better than you.
Ex: "When I was in charge of things, I did the same thing you're suggesting, so I think its a good idea."
5. Group interaction is characterized by frequent displays if CERTAINTY -- i.e., comments that indicate that someone in group thinks s/he is right and everyone else is wrong.
Ex: "I took a lone stand . . . I alone objected . . . I personally in the face of considerable opposition and skepticism defined . . ."
B. Supportive Climate -- group environment characterized by perceived trust, cooperation, and camaraderie.
1. Group interaction is characterized by DESCRIPTIVE EVALUATION -- i.e., comments that focus on the quality of ideas apart from its source.
Ex "I have three concerns with suggestion "X." My first concern is . . . my second concern is . . . my third concern is . . ."
(As opposed to: "Suggestion 'X' is a really bad idea for three reasons: . . .")
2. Group interaction is characterized by the desire for COLLABORATION -- i.e., comments that invite group members to work together.
Ex: "We need to work together to get it done. Everyone's participation and involvement is important, and everyone's ideas and suggestions are welcome and needed.
3. Group interaction is characterized by ACTIVE LISTENING -- i.e., comments that indicate that group members are trying to fully understand each other.
Ex: "If I understand you correctly, what you're suggesting is that we should do X. Is that right?"
4. Group interaction is characterized by RESPECT -- i.e., comments that indicate that group members take seriously the suggestions and ideas of others.
Ex: "Dan has considerable experience in this area. I'm interested in what he has to say about suggestion X?
5. Group interaction is characterized by OPENMINDEDNESS-- i.e., comments that indicate a willingness to listen to and consider the ideas of others.
Ex: "I've never looked at it from that perspective. Could you say more about it?"
IV. Summary: Defensive vs. Supportive Climate
A. Personalized evaluation vs. Descriptive evaluation
B. Control vs. Collaboration
C. Strategic vs. Active Listening
D. Superiority vs. Mutual Respect
E. Certainty vs. Openmindedness
enjoy...
chi
