soft guns at 11k???

[Zazen13]

When I was flying the 190A-8 all the time Lancs were easy kills and B-24s/17's were much more difficult for me.  I think IIRC I was 8-12:1 against Lancs and more like 3-6:1 against the others.

Lately I've been doing all my buff hunting in the Spit XVI.  This camp (without looking right now) I think I'm ~24:0 against B-17's/24's and only ~ 4:1 against Lancs.

I think it really depends on what you fly and how you attack.  The Spit allows more attack options for the impatient pilot (me) but lacks the big guns that are useful against the Lancs.  And you're right, both the B-17 and the 24 light up easily (the 24 more so) but even the Lanc will catch fire with the right hit.

Sorry for the Hi-jack.  Now back to our regularly schedeled discussion.

The thing that makes B24's hard with a fighter is how fast they are, it's hard to make a pass without lining up in their rear quadrant where the defensive fire is greatest. B17's are not nearly as hard to attack with a fighter. Lancs are the easiest to attack with a fighter but the hardest to bring down with 37mm AA.

[Lusche]

The thing that makes B24's hard with a fighter is how fast they are, it's hard to make a pass without lining up in their rear quadrant where the defensive fire is greatest. B17's are not nearly as hard to attack with a fighter.

I'm not sure about a few mph making such a difference to most but the very slowest EW/MW fighters
According to the HTC charts in hangar, the B24 isn't much faster than 6-8 mph at most. For example at 15k 275mph to app 268mph.

[kvuo75]

Would anyone be willing to share how you determine the amount of lead required?  Also, how do the 5" naval guns compare?  Thanks

a little more than the radius of the gunsite at about 3k yds directly overhead


it is one of my favorite activities.. especially when some know-it-all tells me "you cant hit em that far away"..

i get the same thing in osties from the wirbleboys.  its nice see one lite up right after they say that 

[oTRALFZo]

I find that the right wing of the lanc is the weakest. Most ppl, even when confronted with 50s almost always saw off my wings with bursts on that side. I didnt know if its coincidence or if its a factor in the game.

[Chalenge]

It takes patience to do it right but you can kill bombers with total immunity to return fire. 'Its like a game of chess' as patches once told me. He was attacking my bombers at the time but he wasnt doing it right. I discovered this after many many months of going at bombers. I prefer not to attack bombers above 14k but I will do it anyway if I can manage to hold an E advantage. If you are way above them you can BNZ like any plane but they can return fire and a good gunner can take any plane down before he finishes one pass. The way to attack them is with a lot of speed from above and in front. I get out in front of them at least 6k and come at them head on but at least 2k above (six thousand feet). Drop your nose so you are attacking in the vertical as you begin the attack. The gunner will be in the upper turret waiting for a good shot. As you cross his centerline (tip to tip) you want to be pulling a lead angle and firing into the cockpit from directly above if you can manage it (shoot #3 first). He will explode if you can manage two hits to the pilot (I have done it with two bullets). If that kind of shot is difficult for you then go for the left hand wing root. The gunner is defeated at this point because the turret cannot translate to the rear quarter before you have made your pass. Avoid the debris and egress to the front of the bombers while avoiding his return fire (usually you can make 800 yards before he changes guns to shoot). Repeat as needed on #2 and primary.

The only solution to this would be for hitech to program the game to allow for two or more gunners in the upper turret on different aircraft in the same formation (it could already allow that Im not sure). I have made this same attack on two formations attempting mutual support. In that case you move the attack slightly to the oblique and shoot two aircraft at once hitting both #3 of pilot 1 and #3 of pilot 2. They will break up the support and seperate after your first good pass.

Okay the secrets out there now. Go have fun. 

Sorry for hijack attempt #2...

[Lusche]

It takes patience to do it right but you can kill bombers with total immunity to return fire.

I'd like to see a film of that. And I'm convinced many, particular the newer players, would be grateful for a couple of short clips

[TIMMY]

would it be the penetration depth of the round from the soft gun (ie HE round)
the reason i say this is because a few times ive had the chance to attack some untouched lancs with a hurri D.
Rhe first hit with the 40MM flamed the lancs every time ( rounds impacted in between inboard engine and the fuselage)
did the lanc have better self sealing fuel tanks than the american counterparts ?

and like other people have claimed i have never flamed a lanc with a 37MM  either from airbourne or on the ground with out landing 2-3 plus hits in the same area

[lyric1]

I'd like to see a film of that. And I'm convinced many, particular the newer players, would be grateful for a couple of short clips

I have seen some of his films it is not an easy manover to pull off. It is impressive though.

[Chalenge]

Short clips posted in Films and Screenshots forum as requested.