Author Topic: Combat Theater Feedback (Read 828 times)

NUTTZ · « **Reply #15 on:** August 09, 2001, 05:32:00 PM »

Remove the range ICON,, just leave the plane type Or just the Rook,Knight,Bishops Icon over the plane Let them figure out range plane type. OH, and leave it at 3k both freindly and enemy, just enuff time to react but not enuff time to plan.

THAT would be perfect IMO.

NUTTZ

-ammo- · « **Reply #16 on:** August 09, 2001, 07:42:00 PM »

Awesome, I enjoy it as is. I do like the current setup ( the norway terrain was an instant hit with me the moment I saw it).

However the 109G10 does NOT belong in this planeset, neither does the dora or the tempest. It makes no sense other than to adda concession to a limited historical planset. I say its a concession that is not needed.

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** August 09, 2001, 07:53:00 PM »

Bf109G-10s vs Seafire MkIIcs is not a very fair fight.

"Oh gee, I'm being bounced again, what a huge surprise."

1944 German stuff against 1942 British stuff seems like a poor introduction of the CA.

Germans vs. Americans would have been better I think.

funkedup · « **Reply #18 on:** August 09, 2001, 08:05:00 PM »

Karnak, late-model Typhoons are available, and Tempests too if you are willing to pay the price.

Some Fleet Air Arm Hellcats would be nice too.

Certainly we need some later-marque Spits, but we have to wait for the HTC plane factory to fill that order.

AKHog · « **Reply #19 on:** August 09, 2001, 08:07:00 PM »

Ammo: Focke-Wulf 190 D-9 was first around in mid 1943. It belongs in this planeset. As for the G10 and Tempest I agree they might not fit with the others but it all works out to be even from the planes we have to chose from on each side for now.

Kanark: We have the g2 and f4 just like you have spit 5 and seafire. You also have spit 9 for our G-6 and A-5/8 and you have a temp for our G10 and Dora. Dont say you only have early stuff for our late stuff. We all have about the same.

Also this is a 1943 arena of the North Sea. American stuff has no place here.

This is the problem many predicted for a historical arena. It's been out for 2 days and people whinning about the plane set.

So far from what I've seen all the fights have been mostly spit 9s and seafires vs 109 g6s/g10s and 190 a's. All the fights I have seen *started* above 15k and were pretty even. I think things are pretty equal right now and HTC sould worry about more important stuff like getting the bar dar sorted out.

Thanks for the HA HTC

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AKHog · « **Reply #20 on:** August 09, 2001, 08:11:00 PM »

Oh yea forgot about the Typhoons, you guys have plenty of stuff to fite our LW rides with. AND you have the only buff that can do any real damage, so stop whinning

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #21 on:** August 09, 2001, 08:15:00 PM »

Flew in the Combat Arena for about two hours today.

Its the MA with different settings.

Historical matchups aside, there is little historical about this arena. I'm glad HTC did not call it the HA.

Virtually every fight ended with a 3:1 scenario usually involving a spit flat-turning endlessly on the deck. Planes would dive into 4 enemy aircraft then fight until they died. There was instant respawning from a nearby CV as 8 LW planes picked off the spawners 1 at a time (that's 8:1 at a time). Eventually, a couple high allied planes would come in and end up on the deck in 30 seconds.

The icon range makes little difference. The dot-dar makes little difference. Everyone just goes to the closest mid-sector and furballs.

The numbers are not high enough to make this arena even remotely viable. 30-40 people means its going to be tough to find a fight... and there is going to be little accomplished by doing anything other than dogfight.

I'm going to keep flying in it in the hopes that it turns more historical. I like the idea, but I don't really think many people are interested in what it has to offer. Furballs with different icon settings and plane selections are still furballs.

AKDejaVu

Karnak · « **Reply #22 on:** August 09, 2001, 08:22:00 PM »

The only aircraft that has the range to fly from Scotland to Norway, fight, and then return is the Lancaster (which, btw, the British escorted with Mustang MkIIs and Mustang MkIVs). Other than that, the Seafire, a 1942 aircraft that is fundamentally a 1941 aircraft, is the only British aircraft to have the range to fight, and that only due to its mobile runway.

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Originally posted by AKhog:
Ammo: Focke-Wulf 190 D-9 was first around in mid 1943.

Poppycock. The Fw190D-9 first saw service in September of 1944.

FWIW, I'm not counting either the Tempest (besides being perked it can't reach the fights) or the Fw190D-9 because if a plane is at all perked it becomes a non-factor.

I can't use perked aircraft anyways.

1941
Spitfire MkVb
Bf109F-4
Ju88A-4

1942
Seafire MkIIc (fundamentally a 1941 aircraft)
Spitfire MkIX
Bf109G-2

1943
Fw190A-5

1944
Lancaster MkIII (kind of, its got the guns but not the engines)
Typhoon MkIb (its got the late series engine)
Tempest MkV
Bf109G-10
Fw190A-8
Fw190F-8
Fw190D-9

[ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

Staga · « **Reply #23 on:** August 09, 2001, 08:34:00 PM »

After I saw what those early-war Spits can do I guess I'll fly more with those easymode planes

Buzzbait · « **Reply #24 on:** August 09, 2001, 10:25:00 PM »

S! AKHOG

FockeWulf 190D-9 Dora first appeared in August of 1944.

Yeager · « **Reply #25 on:** August 10, 2001, 12:22:00 AM »

What would be really cool would be to have an arena with no ground. Just sky blue 3D space into infinity.......

No gravity just mindless furballing

Think on it~

Y

Baddawg · « **Reply #26 on:** August 10, 2001, 12:37:00 AM »

SeaWulfe... I think Yeager has gotten into your stash.

Zigrat · « **Reply #27 on:** August 10, 2001, 01:50:00 AM »

its called wing commander or tie fighter y

pugg666 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 10, 2001, 09:29:00 AM »

originally posted by AKDejaVu....

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and there is going to be little accomplished by doing anything other than dogfight.

Honestly i think that's the whole point. HTC is trying to get a situation similar to what fighter vs. fighter combat was like. right now on this map, the combat is similar to the rodeos and circus where like (with a lot less aircraft obviously). where we meet each other at between 15-25k, and the fight is on from there.

if/when we switch to PTO map and plane set, i'm sure you'll see the fights start at a much lower alt(around 10k, like it was in the PTO)

as it is now there is no strat involved, no bases to capture, no factories to bomb. it's just for historical match-ups, with the occasional bomber to shoot down.

Steven · « **Reply #29 on:** August 10, 2001, 10:21:00 AM »

"Honestly i think that's the whole point. HTC is trying to get a situation similar to what fighter vs. fighter combat was like. right now on this map, the combat is similar to the rodeos and circus where like (with a lot less aircraft obviously). where we meet each other at between 15-25k, and the fight is on from there."
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I agree. Also, like the entire game, the Combat Theater arena is not complete and is really nothing more than just a baby being just 3-days old. It'll find its niche with maturity. However, I do see the CT becoming the place to go when the plane set is fleshed out so that Wildcat, Warhawk and other early-plane fans have a place to fight it out without being eviscerated by N1Ks and LA7s. This place may also lend itself more to rail strikes and some of the tricks HT may have up his sleeve.

-Puke
332nd Flying Mongrels