The ultimate armament

[Motherland]

I doub't it was ever planned to get it airborne with ALL weapons at once. These are just all options for weapon installment. Not all could have worked at once, the outboard MG 151 would have to be removed for MK108 underwing pods for example.

Could you imagine if all of that could be mounted at the same time? 6 MG151/20s, 2 Mk108s, and a Mk103.... 

[titanic3]

 Yes... it's all clear to me.. a whole squadron takes off... then... "BOOM!"... everyone augers.

[sethipus]

Could you imagine if all of that could be mounted at the same time? 6 MG151/20s, 2 Mk108s, and a Mk103.... 

I like the way m00t put it, the 20s are only necessary if you're lacking confidence.

Seriously, with the Mk103, who needs anything else?

ps: having Mk108s and the Mk103 at the same time would be hard to use, since they would have such different trajectories.

[sethipus]

Here's my contribution.  First off, in this game, at least, there's nothing so devastatingly effective as the four 30mms in the ME-262.

If I could propose a firepower package, I'd propose a TA-152 with two electrically-fired and -synchronized Mk103 cannons in the wingroots, like the 20mm cannons are right now in the other FW-190 models, and nothing else.  With two high-velocity, laserbeam-like 30mm cannons in a close-to-cowl mounting, who would need anything else?

I realize the barrels for these would stick out a bit from the wingroot.  I'm OK with that.  ;-)  These guns are pretty darn heavy too, so to save weight I would not mount any guns in the cowling or through the engine. 

[Gixer]

Best armed is easily the 262, any other combinations is years behind it's design of 4x30mm in the nose. Of course that ability comes with having the wars ultimate fighter.


<S>...-Gixer

[titanic3]

 I just want the 262 with 6x 30mm cannons.. if anyone can dig some dirt up on this variant, then even greater. Too bad it was never produced. 

[moot]

I like the way m00t put it, the 20s are only necessary if you're lacking confidence.

Seriously, with the Mk103, who needs anything else?

ps: having Mk108s and the Mk103 at the same time would be hard to use, since they would have such different trajectories.

I hadn't thought of that actualy... With the 103 you don't need 20mm's to "reach out".  So you could maybe have 108s in the wingroots, although I dunno how bad the trouble in synchronizing them was.  But if it were possible.. It'd be as light as 20mm's.  Twin 108s in the wingroots...   Like a big limp hose at close range, and a big stiff punch anywhere else.

[Ack-Ack]

IMO, it's like that just because of how concentrated the guns are. If it were like that on any other plane, I doubt it would be nearly half as leathal. 

Which is why I started off my comment with this sentence.

Yep, the way the guns are on the P-38 makes it one of the most lethal gun packages in the game.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

I hadn't thought of that actualy... With the 103 you don't need 20mm's to "reach out".  So you could maybe have 108s in the wingroots, although I dunno how bad the trouble in synchronizing them was.  But if it were possible.. It'd be as light as 20mm's.  Twin 108s in the wingroots...   Like a big limp hose at close range, and a big stiff punch anywhere else.

Twin 108s in the wing roots would suck IMO. If you've got a large-caliber killer in the nose, the secondary guns should be faster firing with better ballistics.

Look at the 163... Even going at the fastest speeds in the game the ONLY time I'll kill bombers with the 2x 30mm wingroot guns is when I'm point blank. It really isn't very effective as a furballer.

[1pLUs44]

Which is why I started off my comment with this sentence.

ack-ack

Sorry, when I'm tired, I say stupider things...

[moot]

Twin 108s in the wing roots would suck IMO. If you've got a large-caliber killer in the nose, the secondary guns should be faster firing with better ballistics.

Look at the 163... Even going at the fastest speeds in the game the ONLY time I'll kill bombers with the 2x 30mm wingroot guns is when I'm point blank. It really isn't very effective as a furballer.

Nope. You don't need 'better' ballistics in the wingroots if you've got a 103 in the nose. Two 108s is plenty to land any short/med range shot.  The 163 is actualy a piece of cake to hit with in my experience.  Twice the 30mms makes a really big difference..
And saying that the 163 is a crappy furballer.... I dunno what's wrong with you.. It's one of the very best, if not the best.

[Krusty]

I said the GUNS aren't effective at furballing. Even in 109s and 262s you have to get point blank with a nearly stationary target to land hits.

[Edit: I meant the guns, but I guess my wording wasn't very clear. Sorry.]

If the Me262 had 2x 20mm cannon in the nose instead fo 30mm it would be 5x as effective as it is with 4x30mm because those 2 guns would land hits 10x more frequently in snapshots, lead shots, bomber attacks, and at ranges much further out and with much greater consistency. Lesser guns packages with better chances to actually do damage would be my suggested "secondary" armament, if you already have the large-bore nose gun (hypothetically speaking, of course).

[moot]

No.... They're fine for furballing.  Gonna have to agree to disagree.  A single 108 in the nose is a bit hard to deal with, but good enough.  Two of em plus a 103 would be pretty much foolproof.   

I don't think I'd take 2 or even 4 20mm's in the 262 if I could have 2x108 and a 103.  Maybe you don't see how strong the 103 is, or maybe I've got it wrong.  That's the context here..  I'd certainly never take 2x20mm over 4x30mm.

[Karnak]

The MK103 is too heavy to consider for any "ultimate armament", so is the Hispano Mk II or Mk V, so is the Browning .50.  The ultimate armament would be made up of B-20 20mm cannons or Ho-5 20mm cannons or MG151/20 with MINE shells or MK108 30mm cannons.

[Noir]

I vote for the 23 millimeter VJa cannon (IL-2)