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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #390 on: August 30, 2008, 10:39:00 AM »
There really is no job that prepares one best for being president.  If you look at the presidents since Roosevelt, you'll find...

1)  Franklin Roosevelt:  State Senator, Governor of New York
2)  Harry Truman:  U.S. Senator, VP
3)  Dwight Eisenhower:  No political experience
4)  John Kennedy:  U.S. Representative, U.S. Senator
5)  Lyndon Johnson:  U.S. Representative, U.S. Senator, VP
6)  Richard Nixon:  U.S. Representative, U.S. Senator, VP
7)  Gerald Ford:  U.S. Representative, VP
8 )  Jimmy Carter:  State Senator, Governor of Georgia
9)  Ronald Reagan:  Governor of California
10)  George H.W. Bush:  U.S. Representative, VP
11)  Bill Clinton:  Governor of Arkansas
12)  George W. Bush:  Governor of Texas

So does being Governor "best qualify" one for being president?  I see a real mixed bag in there in terms of successful and unsuccessful presidents, and their prior political experience is all over the place.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #391 on: August 30, 2008, 10:45:06 AM »
I just talked to dad about her; he knows her very well.  Look at this picture and note the white bar pin that she's wearing with the star on it:



It represents having a child in the service during a war; a throw back to WWII.  My dad is involved with the VA, has been promoting these and gave her the pin she regularly wears (and a few spares).

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #392 on: August 30, 2008, 10:57:07 AM »
Wonder what Palin will do for the talent portion of the contest. She'll obviously win the swimsuit; I bet Biden goes with a one-piece.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #393 on: August 30, 2008, 10:58:12 AM »
Wow, it's gonna be hard to stay up to speed in this thread-everybody on Eastern and Central time has a 2-3 hour head start on me!

Anyway, reading the news this morning, this was one of the top stories on Yahoo:

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Aug. 30 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain's decision to pass up conventional candidates and pick little-known, first-term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for the Republican ticket may appeal to undecided voters McCain needs to win. It also may blunt McCain's charges that Democrat Barack Obama isn't experienced enough for the White House.

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Palin, 44, who wasn't high on conventional-wisdom rankings of potential vice presidential candidates, may soothe social conservatives in her own party and may appeal to some disappointed Hillary Clinton backers. She's younger than Obama, who is 47, and has served less than half of her first term as governor.

``It's either a grand-slam home run or it'll turn out to be a bust,'' said Stu Rothenberg, editor of the Rothenberg Political Report in Washington. The answer will be clear over the next few days, he said.

Palin opposes abortion rights and supports gun ownership, two core Republican issues. She also has no ties to George W. Bush, an advantage as McCain seeks to distance himself from the unpopular president.

Palin, who has a background in energy policy, was elected governor in 2006 by challenging Alaska's Republican leadership and vowing to clean up a government corruption scandal.

``As governor, I've stood up to the old politics as usual, to the special interests, to the lobbyists, the big oil companies, and the good-old-boy network,'' she said at a rally yesterday in Dayton, Ohio, where she was introduced by McCain.

``She's exactly who this country needs to help me fight the same old Washington politics,'' McCain said.

`Off the Table'

Former Senator Tom Daschle, a South Dakota Democrat and leading Obama advocate, said McCain's selection will make it more difficult for the Arizona senator to fault Obama for a lack of experience.

``It takes the whole experience issue off the table,'' Daschle said.

The next few days will be a critical test for Palin as the media and critics dig through her record, said Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos.

``Palin will face intense scrutiny by the media and by voters who need assurance that she is ready to assume the presidency at a moment's notice, if necessary,'' Panagopoulos said.

McCain's choice was applauded by social conservatives.

``We have a pro-life, pro-family ticket,'' said Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America. ``It's going to galvanize conservative evangelicals across the country.''

Skittish About McCain

Abortion foes have been skittish about McCain, who supports stem-cell research and has said he wants to broaden the party's plank on abortion to include exceptions in cases of rape and when the life of the mother is at risk.

Palin is a member of Feminists for Life, a group that works to make health-care and child-care resources available to ``pregnant or parenting students,'' according to the group's Web site.

``All the conservatives are happy, yet she kind of offers a working-class Republican ethos, which we wouldn't have gotten with Mitt Romney,'' said Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian at Rice University in Houston.

McCain's selection of Palin is also aimed at wooing female supporters of Clinton, some of whom have been reluctant to line up behind Obama after a protracted primary battle.

Palin is the second woman to be chosen as a major-party nominee for vice president. The first, then-Representative Geraldine Ferraro of New York, was nominated by the Democrats in 1984.

`Glass Ceiling'

``Many Hillary Clinton supporters are desperate to break the glass ceiling for women,'' said Brinkley.

Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, said McCain shouldn't assume women will vote Republican just because a female is on the ticket.

``The burden of proof, if anything, is a little bit higher, so I think there is a little miscalculation on that assumption,'' Napolitano said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Conversations with Judy Woodruff.''

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi highlighted Palin's anti-abortion stance.

``She shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies,'' Pelosi said in a statement.

Energy industry groups lauded Palin's selection, saying it reopened the possibility the U.S. could begin allowing drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Record Prices

McCain has said he opposes opening the refuge to drilling, although new emphasis has been placed on domestic oil production as prices reached records this summer. Oil hit a record $147.27 on July 11.

Palin, a former beauty queen, high school basketball star and television sportscaster, began her political career in the 1990s as a city councilwoman and then mayor in her home town of Wasilla. The town's estimated population in 2007 was 9,780, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Considered a rising political star by state Republican leaders, she was appointed in 2003 to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, a significant body in the energy-rich state.

Her biggest test may be proving her intellect, said Michael O'Hanlon, a foreign policy expert at Washington's Brookings Institution.

``Since we all know there's nothing there in terms of national security, does she have the intellectual ability to get up to speed quickly?'' he said. ``We're going to have to get a feel for how smart she is.''

To contact the reporters this story: Heidi Przybyla in Denver at hprzybyla@bloomberg.net .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080830/pl_bloomberg/aulhaumcz6l0

There's plusses, and minuses, to McCains' choice as a running mate. As Daschle pointed out, McCain may have just blotted out his experience advantage-Palin's got even less than Obama. However, She may win over Clinton supporters, who will vote a woman into office, simply to break that "glass ceiling" that was mentioned in the article...Although, Clinton was running for the presidency itself; Vice-presidency doesn't have quite the same impact. Hard to call that one. Also, She might shut down drilling for oil in places' like the arctic National wildlife refuge, as she has had a conservationist stance. This could also stretch to offshore drilling in other places, although that hasn't been proven.

I'm thinking one thing that I really don't like about this selection. It was so completely out of left field, in terms of who she is, and what her background is, that if she goes to D.C. she will be encountering all kinds' of lobying hell that she never saw in Alaska; Only having to deal with the Oil companies' is one thing. Facing the full brunt of everything there will be in Washington, All the Major corporations, All of the special interest groups, all the religions, etc. etc., might be pretty tough if she has to assume the Presidency (McCain doesn't have to die to relinquish office, remember. If he falls' ill, becomes' debilitated, or succumbs' to old age, She will suddenly have to jump in Mid-term.)

Anyway, read the article, and check the rest of the news to see what pops up.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #394 on: August 30, 2008, 11:00:46 AM »
Well, well, well.
Talk about your rabbit out of the hat moment.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #395 on: August 30, 2008, 11:03:15 AM »
if she goes to D.C. she will be encountering all kinds' of lobying hell that she never saw in Alaska; Only having to deal with the Oil companies' is one thing. Facing the full brunt of everything there will be in Washington, All the Major corporations, All of the special interest groups, all the religions, etc. etc., might be pretty tough if she has to assume the Presidency (McCain doesn't have to die to relinquish office, remember. If he falls' ill, becomes' debilitated, or succumbs' to old age, She will suddenly have to jump in Mid-term.)

Frode, I'm of a mind now that we could stick an O'Clubber as President and not be too worse off.  I know I sound ludicrous.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #396 on: August 30, 2008, 11:12:07 AM »
You are nowhere near the middle of the road I travel down in life.  Most of the people I come across in life can best be described as fiscal conservatives and social moderates.
From what I gather you are neither.  I may be wrong...this bbs is a terrible place to truly measure folks, however, here I gather your a good person.
Yeager, you gather wrong. Fiscal conservative, social moderate pretty much sums up my POV.
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My only concern about Palin is her serious lack of foreign affairs experience.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #397 on: August 30, 2008, 11:13:48 AM »
Here's a Palin problem: But what does she know about Iranian nukes, health care or the future of entitlement programs? And that's just a few of the 20 or so national issues on which she will be expected to show basic competence. The McCain camp will have to either let her wing it based on a few briefing memos (highly risky) or prevent her from taking questions from reporters (a confession that she's unprepared). Either way, she's going to belly-flop at a time when McCain can least afford it.

And one more: She is a far-right conservative who supported Pat Buchanan over George W. Bush in 2000. She thinks global warming is a hoax and backs the teaching of creationism in public schools. Women are not likely to be impressed by her opposition to abortion even in the case of rape and incest.

I don't care if she looks stupid.  One can learn to look smart.  Quickly too.  What I care is what she does. 

I expect McCain to finish his term if America elects him.  But I'm viewing Palin as a possible President.  2 months to access the scene.

I like Buchanan over Bush big time. 

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #398 on: August 30, 2008, 11:33:25 AM »
Yea that's the same way I'm looking at it, right now it's just all blogosphere rumor mill stuff, which is why I wasn't gonna post about it. I figured the rumor mill was starting and it would be very hard for anyone to find the info of they were interested.

As a side note, this is a video about the Trooper Firing issue..Seems like she has contradicted her self even on video with this deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMnCgqVA
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #399 on: August 30, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »
My only concern about Palin is her serious lack of foreign affairs experience.

Her's is just as good as Obama's is.  

So, Obama has Biden to back him up....what if Biden kicks the bucket?  

Obama would be in the same position Palin would be should McCain kick the bucket.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #400 on: August 30, 2008, 11:35:49 AM »
I don't care if it's a news source that caters to the Right or the Left.. it's when they are working behind the scenes to make the news how they want to promote it.. Well that's when they become nothing more than propaganda. No other news station do you see all the ancors and various talk show hosts all useing the same planted "catch phrases" like you see on Fox News.

Yes, but when this was announced, NBC didn't even run it for over an hour. And for the past 5 days, they had been running over the Convention and Obamas' pick...

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #401 on: August 30, 2008, 11:36:14 AM »
My wife, a rabid Hillaryite, was more pissed off than happy about McCain's pick. She felt is was an obvious pander to her constituency, as if they will vote for ANY woman. I think McCain will get little or nothing from the Hillary voters.



Some people WILL vote for any woman. Just as some people will vote for any black. Or some people will vote for anybody who is anti-conservative.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #402 on: August 30, 2008, 12:10:44 PM »
Yeager, you gather wrong. Fiscal conservative, social moderate pretty much sums up my POV.
The only tree I ever hugged was pieces of one I was loading into the back of my truck to bring home and burn.

My only concern about Palin is her serious lack of foreign affairs experience.

Ok then, your a fiscal conservative, social moderate type kinda guy.  I'll remember that :)

Yeah its a concern of mine as well, but when your kid is up at bat you root for em and have faith in em.  I would prefer to give this youngster a chance.  Kid obama
is on the other team.  Besides, she seems bright enough, and stern enough to become a powerful force if the need arises.  Getting elected to governor takes some
work.  She can do it. hey bata bata bata
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #403 on: August 30, 2008, 12:26:52 PM »
We still have plenty to learn about all of the candidates. The choices have been narrowed down(GOP Convention pending), now time to start examining them. Bring on the debates. That's where the cream rises.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #404 on: August 30, 2008, 12:41:04 PM »
No matter how you slice it or parse it, this is beginning to shape up into an interesting race.

It isn't going to be the walkover that Obama's supporters expected.  That is good...it will keep them humble.