Lose buff external view

[SKurj]

Don i wasn't calling u STUPID, i was calling everyone who climbs up to a buff's 6 +)

I've flown Lancs and NEVER been able to fire directly below the aircraft.  Don i suggest you fly a buff for a dozen missions, even fly them realistically if you wish.


Attacked 2 17's, they were at 12-15k ish, close enough to be able to just cover each other.  With 2 scorts trailing them.
2 passes with .50's both 17's down, sure I was smokin, but a lone fighter engagin a lone buff is just as realistic as the MA +)


SKurj

[Urchin]

You must be doing something different than me Skurj.  I've never had much success attacking buffs with .50s.  I need cannons to get the job done, and I need either 2 big ones or 4 20mm's to do it well.

[Tac]

Take a pair of b17's, sit them one in front of the other and have the nose gun (only nose gun) of the b17 in the back shoot the b17 in front (b17 in front is drone)... fire at a specific spot (say, inboard engine, right wing) keeping a distance of d800 if possible.

Repeat the same, this time the drone 17 vs a P38 (which is the only plane with .50's that doesn't (or shouldnt!) have a convergence issue. And its got 2 more .50's) on its tail firing at same spot at same range

Guess who kills the drone 17 first and with how much ammo?

[Replicant]

Originally posted by Urchin:
You must be doing something different than me Skurj.  I've never had much success attacking buffs with .50s.  I need cannons to get the job done, and I need either 2 big ones or 4 20mm's to do it well.

I fly buffs a fair bit and the planes that I worry about the most are:- NIK2, Typhoon, 109s (if they got 30mm), 190A8/F8, Ta152, P51 and P47.  The P47 can take so much damage so that even if he came up dead six slow he'll no doubt either kill you straight out, or wound the gunner then finish you off.  As for the P51, these never used to bother me but lately I've found them the most effective plane for downing buffs - quite often in one well organised pass.  Obviously a novice in a P51 hasn't got a chance.  As for the Spitfire, well, as they're pretty slow you don't have to worry about them too much, unless they're a lot higher than you then their cannons are most effective.  La7s often take several passes but because of their manouvrability they wear you out.

Regards

Nexx

[Karnak]

Oddly, my K/D ratio in bombers and against bombers is above 1 for 1 in most Tours.  I wonder why that is?

Well, for one thing, I set up my attacks on buffs and for another thing most people fly straight up a buff's 6.

A P-38 can blow a Lanc's wing off using only 12 rounds of .50 cal ammo.  That is from extremely short range admittedly, but it does give an idea of how fragile these bombers are.

[ 08-25-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[Tac]

Yep karnak. A p-38's wing is blown out with only 3 rounds .50 , tail with 2, engine dies with one. From long range it takes almost twice that (except tail..lol).

Maybe its because buff guns increased range they also increased the "close range punch" damage factor to be effective up to long range? That would explain all the BS of the turbolaser guns.

[SKurj]

Urchin, P47 vs B17 +)  Though even the lone 30 in g6 gets the job done in 1 pass with decent aim.

If i want to live and have the patience, I only engage a bomber once I am setup approximately 2k directly above him.
Whenever I don't do that... the buff flies on as I go down..(hehe quite often)

SKurj

[-ammo-]

A P-47 is the ultimate buff killer IMO. especially if the buff is way up there. No radiator worries, p47 performs sooo sweet at hi alt, and 8 big 50's. The tiffy and tempest have a very effective gun package, but one cost alot, and both arent all that at hi alt. The pony has a fragile radiator. The FW's are a pretty decent buff killer too with the A8's big guns and the A5's 4 mausers. But I can attest to the P-47 on Buffs, lookout. Its mean.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Bomber pilots in AH are pusses they need every crutch imaginable in the world to do anything.

Laser and GPS guided bombs from 40k? Check!

roadkill 3D outside ARCADE flight mode?
Check!

roadkill CIWS defense guns with 3 times realiastic range and upgraded hit poer and perfect aiming and convergence?  Check!

roadkill roadkill roadkill! Thats all AH buff are.

What a rug chewer you are turning into.
Without outside view you would have to turn on otto. There is no way to maintain SA against multiple coordinated fighters with intenal views only. It is brutal with exteranl view on. With a dozen trained observers there would be.

[vega]

It is time to enable all buf guns on the ground and put AUTO gunners back on the bufs.

The buf is entirely too weak to realistically represent what a Flying Fortress was in WWII.  

Of course it is possible the players in Aces High are the only people in the world who know the real secret:  the Army Air Corps never put up a B-17 manned by more than two people and usually just one!      

Believe me, this could be bigger than ROSWELL!          
 

[Urchin]

Yes, when I fly buffs I worry the most about P47's.  But then, I don't fly the strato-buffs, I typically fly at or below 20k.  I don't worry all that much about the German planes because you have to get within 300 yards to hit reliably with the cannons.  Spits don't bother me because they are, as someone said earlier, slow.  P47's do seem to take an inordinate amount of damage before you kill them (at least from a buffs POV, I can kill them OK in fighters).  I worry about N1K2s because they have 4 cannons that can hit you out to 700 or so, thats sort of a scary feeling when they can come dead up your 6 and get you half the time.

[Don]

Originally posted by Karnak:

A P-38 can blow a Lanc's wing off using only 12 rounds of .50 cal ammo.  That is from extremely short range admittedly, but it does give an idea of how fragile these bombers are.

[ 08-25-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ][/QB]

>>>>This string is about fixing things and possible bugs with Buffs. A buff should not lose a wing to 50 rounds of .50 caliber ammo from close in. The B-17 especially was built far tuogher than that. But, when a Buff doesn't go down after receiving 20 mm cannon from 600 feet on in, then something is wrong there too. What seems to be consistent is perhaps the Bufffs ought to be looked at, and if bugs are found, fix them.

[SKurj]

176 Squadron also provided other small detachments to Chittagong, and later Akyab and Ramree Islands as the Japanese were gradually pushed back.  During this period one of our Beaufighters from Chittagong shot down an American Flying Fortress which failed to anwer a Very Light challenge when returning from a bombing mission.  Fortunately all the American crew were able to bail out and were all safely returned to their unit.  However on hearing that the Beau had used only four rounds from each cannon, they insisted on giving a party for the Beau crew - they just didn't believe that one of their fortresses could be shot down so easily.

taken from:
Beaufighter at War, Chaz Bowyer

Great book btw with lots of stories and pix


SKurj

[ET]

O.K. I know stats can be made to say whatever and they don't prove a thing, but they are curious things to me.I went to the rank board and tried to pull up the top 100 fighter pilots but could not.I did get 6 of the lowest 10 and looked up their records against the B17 and B26,probably the most dangerous bombers in the game.To date the 6 pilots have killed 130 B17s to 11 deaths,a kill ratio of 11.81 to 1.The same 6 have killed 92 B26s to 16 deaths.A kill ratio of 5.75 to 1.Now my question is,what do they know about killing these 2 bombers that others don't know.

[EagleFW]

whats the point of the great graphics of you cant even see them???? keep the phaqueing outside/external view!!!!