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« Reply #195 on: September 09, 2008, 02:26:26 PM »
A crowd that had control of the country for eight years and did nothing but spend us into oblivion, gave Palin a standing ovation.

Scary

There was a poll around here right before Palin's RC speech that had asked if Palin was a good choice. The results showed 37% yes, 63% no. Right after her speech the poll was taken again and the results reversed.

I wonder how much support Ron Paul could muster if he were allowed to speak with such a prime time audience.

It's simple Palin is nothing more than a Cheerleader and that's why she was picked. She wasn't picked because she was a good choice for helping lead the country. She was picked to be a cheerleader and if you think about that, it's pretty damn scary that this is what our political system has come too.
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« Reply #196 on: September 09, 2008, 02:32:35 PM »
You will not understand this but I will give it a try anyway.

A very great many of your fellow citizens would believe this statement:

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It's simple Obama is nothing more than a Cheerleader and that's why he was picked. He wasn't picked because he was a good choice for helping lead the country. He was picked to be a cheerleader and if you think about that, it's pretty damn scary that this is what our political system has come too.

Think about it. Probably just as many Americans would accept that statement as would accept yours.


The really scary, scary thing is that by the yardsticks liberals use to measure Palin, Obama is less qualified than she is. Yet he is the top of Democratic ticket. THAT'S scary.

The Dems had a chance to walk away with this election without breaking a sweat. But liberal ideology trumped common sense.

Now it will be a close run thing either way.
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« Reply #197 on: September 09, 2008, 02:48:43 PM »
Regardless of running mate, I’ll cast my lot with the man that has been through the fire; tested and found pure and true.  He never betrayed this fellow servicemen or his country when it counted. There is probably someone out there that is a better choice, but he or she is not on the opposing ticket at this moment.
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« Reply #198 on: September 09, 2008, 03:07:38 PM »
You will not understand this but I will give it a try anyway.

A very great many of your fellow citizens would believe this statement:

Think about it. Probably just as many Americans would accept that statement as would accept yours.


The really scary, scary thing is that by the yardsticks liberals use to measure Palin, Obama is less qualified than she is. Yet he is the top of Democratic ticket. THAT'S scary.

The Dems had a chance to walk away with this election without breaking a sweat. But liberal ideology trumped common sense.

Now it will be a close run thing either way.

You act as if the two years in the Senate is the only experience Obama has, he was elected to the state senate in 1997 and was there until 2004 when he started his campaign for the US senate. In fact Obama's Political career started only three years after George Bush Jr's.

Compare that to Bush Jr for example, he had zero political experience other than working on his dad's campaign and a failed attempt at the House of Rep's. He was elected as Texas Governor with zero political experience and spent 5 years on the job. Bush Jr was later elected to the highest office in the land with only 5 years of elected political experience.

Now compare that to Palin who was mayor of a town with the population of only 6,700 to 9k from 1996 to 2002. She was then elected as Governor of Alaska in 2006 and hasn't even been on the job 2 years at this point.

The difference between say Obama & Bush Jr is Obama took a different path on his way up. Much like many of the other presidents who were former Senators. Not everyone can have a former US president as their father making it easy to become Governor of a state.

Now I'm sorry but being the Mayor of a such a small town is not the same experience wise. Maybe if She had been Governor 4 years b4 she made her run then she would have some experience under her belt. However she hasn't even made it 2 years and now she's the pick for VP under McCain? That's simply ridicious at best.
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« Reply #199 on: September 09, 2008, 04:26:56 PM »
Charon has responded to and essentially demolished the idea that Obama gained vast amounts of experience in the Illinois Senate. He was indistinguished at best until his last year or so and then he persuaded Emil Jones to grant him favor. Jones was the Democratic leader in the Senate.

This is from a New Yorker article; the New Yorker is not a conservative magazine.

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...That’s why, in 2002, as Obama planned his next campaign, he sought out Jones. “We never discussed it, but he had to analyze that race and recognize he had no other powerful elected officials supporting him,” Jones said. “And so he felt I could be very, very key if he was going to make the run for the U.S. Senate.
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In the State Senate, Jones did something even more important for Obama. He pushed him forward as the key sponsor of some of the Party’s most important legislation, even though the move did not sit well with some colleagues who had plugged away in the minority on bills that Obama now championed as part of the majority. “Because he had been in the minority, Barack didn’t have a legislative record to run on, and there was a buildup of all these great ideas that the Republicans kept in the rules committee when they were in the majority,” Burns said. “Jones basically gave Obama the space to do what Obama wanted to do. Emil made it clear to people that it would be good for them.” Burns, who at that point was working for Jones, was assigned to keep an eye on Obama’s floor votes, which, because he was a Senate candidate, would be under closer scrutiny. The Obama-Jones alliance worked. In one year, 2003, Obama passed much of the legislation, including bills on racial profiling, death-penalty reform, and expanded health insurance for children, that he highlighted in his Senate campaign.


Obamessiah was made by Jones; it's that simple. Obamessiah did do diddly in the Illinois Senate except what Jones pre-planned for him and told him to do. Maybe they should have run Jones..........

Other than Illinois, he has ~ 140 days as a US Senator, using most of that time to run for President.

If you want to say Obamessiah is as experienced as Bush, you'd be wrong. But I'm not sure, if you're pushing Obama, that you want to try to make a claim that Obama will be as good as Bush. :)

As for Obamessiah being as qualified as Palin, I really don't think so. But then neither one is exactly a world statesman.

Anyway if Palin is not qualified, then Obamessiah is even less qualified AND.... Obamessiah is the top of that ticket.


Dems had this election wrapped. Hill the Prez and she would have been smart enough to make Obama the Veep. But Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.... . they had to jump the shark.
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« Reply #200 on: September 09, 2008, 04:31:14 PM »
Oh, yeah...

That entire post of yours merely states your opinion on Palin's qualifications.

It fails to address the obvious in that there are a VERY great many US voters that feel the same way about Obama as you do about Palin. (Of course you dismiss them as wrong because... well... because you think you are right.)

Check the polls; Palin is comparing favorably with Obamessiah in a lot of eyes.  And he's the top of that ticket. Ruh roh!
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« Reply #201 on: September 09, 2008, 04:52:04 PM »
One thing you are forgetting Crockett concerning Palin is her time on the City Council. Granted, it was a small town City Council, but it's still experience that she has.
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« Reply #202 on: September 09, 2008, 05:39:39 PM »
 :rofl :rofl :rofljump the shark :rofl :rofl :rofl good one  :aok
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« Reply #203 on: September 09, 2008, 05:47:52 PM »
This piece in the Telegraph gives some more insight to Palin's background. Brilliantly, but perhaps accidentally, the Palin pick now has Obama running against the other party's VP :)

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Sarah Palin is not such a small-town girl after all
By James Bennett

It is clear that few in America, let alone Britain, have any idea what to make of Sarah Palin. The Republicans' vice-presidential candidate confounds the commentators because they don't understand the forces that shaped her in the remote state of Alaska.

Thus, most coverage dwells on exotica - the moose shooting, her Eskimo husband - combined with befuddlement at how a woman can go from being mayor of a town of 9,000, to governor, to prospective VP within the space of a few years.

But, having worked with Alaskans, I know something of the challenge she has faced, and why - contrary to what Democrats think - it could make her a powerful figure in the White House.

The first myth to slay is that she is a political neophyte who has come from nowhere. In fact, she and her husband have, for decades, run a company in the highly politicised commercial fishing industry, where holding on to a licence requires considerable nous and networking skills.

Her rise from parent-teacher association to city council gave her a natural political base in her home town of Wasilla. Going on to become mayor was a natural progression. Wasilla's population of 9,000 would be a small town in Britain, and even in most American states. But Wasilla is the fifth-largest city in Alaska, which meant that Palin was an important player in state politics.

Her husband's status in the Yup'ik Eskimo tribe, of which he is a full, or "enrolled" member, connected her to another influential faction: the large and wealthy (because of their right to oil revenues) native tribes.

All of this gave her a base from which to launch her 2002 campaign for lieutenant (deputy) governor of Alaska.

She lost that, but collected a powerful enough following to be placated with a seat on, and subsequently the chairmanship of, the Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which launched her into the politics of Alaska's energy industry.

Palin quickly realised that Alaska had the potential to become a much bigger player in global energy politics, a conviction that grew as the price of oil rose. Alaska had been in hock to oil companies since major production began in the mid-1970s.

As with most poor, distant places that suddenly receive great natural-resource wealth, the first generation of politicians were mesmerised by the magnificence of the crumbs falling from the table. Palin was the first of the next generation to realise that Alaska should have a place at that table.

Her first target was an absurd bureaucratic tangle that for 30 years had kept the state from exporting its gas to the other 48 states. She set an agenda that centred on three mutually supportive objectives: cleaning up state politics, building a new gas pipeline, and increasing the state's share of energy revenues.

This agenda, pursued throughout Palin's commission tenure, culminated in her run for governor in 2006. By this time, she had already begun rooting out corruption and making enemies, but also establishing her bona fides as a reformer.

With this base, she surprised many by steamrollering first the Republican incumbent governor, and second, the Democratic former governor, in the election.

Far from being a reprise of Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Palin was a clear-eyed politician who, from the day she took office, knew exactly what she had to do and whose toes she would step on to do it.

The surprise is not that she has been in office for such a short time but that she has succeeded in each of her objectives. She has exposed corruption; given the state a bigger share in Alaska's energy wealth; and negotiated a deal involving big corporate players, the US and Canadian governments, Canadian provincial governments, and native tribes - the result of which was a £13 billion deal to launch the pipeline and increase the amount of domestic energy available to consumers. This deal makes the charge of having "no international experience" particularly absurd.

In short, far from being a small-town mayor concerned with little more than traffic signs, she has been a major player in state politics for a decade, one who formulated an ambitious agenda and deftly implemented it against great odds.

Her sudden elevation to the vice-presidential slot on the Republican ticket shocked no one more than her enemies in Alaska, who have broken out into a cold sweat at the thought of Palin in Washington, guiding the Justice Department's anti-corruption teams through the labyrinths of Alaska's old-boy network.

It is no surprise that many of the charges laid against her have come from Alaska, as her enemies become more and more desperate to bring her down. John McCain was familiar with this track record and it is no doubt the principal reason that he chose her.

Focusing on the exotic trappings of Alaskan culture may make Palin seem a quaint and inexplicable choice. But understanding the real background of her steady rise in politics suggests that Barack Obama and Joe Biden are underestimating her badly. In this, they join two former Alaskan governors, a large number of cronies, and a trail of enemies extending back over a decade.

James Bennett is the author of 'The Anglosphere Challenge'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/09/do0904.xml

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« Reply #204 on: September 09, 2008, 06:47:08 PM »
The surprise is not that she has been in office for such a short time but that she has succeeded in each of her objectives. She has exposed corruption; given the state a bigger share in Alaska's energy wealth; and negotiated a deal involving big corporate players, the US and Canadian governments, Canadian provincial governments, and native tribes - the result of which was a £13 billion deal to launch the pipeline and increase the amount of domestic energy available to consumers. This deal makes the charge of having "no international experience" particularly absurd.

In short, far from being a small-town mayor concerned with little more than traffic signs, she has been a major player in state politics for a decade, one who formulated an ambitious agenda and deftly implemented it against great odds.


Excerpted and placed so Crockett can't miss it.

(just continuing my non original cut and paste contribution to whats-his-names angst)
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« Reply #205 on: September 09, 2008, 08:13:39 PM »
But...but...but...but... Obamessiah was a "community organizer" that helped fund and organize ACORN which is now under multiply state investigations for voter fraud!

And...and...and.... Obamessiah didn't do diddly in the Illinois Senate until Emil Jones gave him patronage and put his name on a bunch of bills that other Democrats had worked to pass for years!

Plus Obamessiah has been a serving Senator for ~ 140 days; he managed to sqeeze in some Senate time while he was running for President.

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« Reply #206 on: September 09, 2008, 09:06:17 PM »
Abraham Lincoln had just 2 years in the US House of Reps and served 8 yrs in the Illinois legislature.

He then went on to lead the Union thru the most difficult time of the Republic.

James Buchanan served 10 years in the US House, 11 in the Senate, was Secy of State, and Ambassador to Britian before becoming arguably the worst president in US history.

Usain Bolt ran the 100 meters only for a year before breaking the world record and winning the gold medal and becoming the fastest man on earth.

Conclusion: Experience is not the best measure of future performance.
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« Reply #207 on: September 09, 2008, 09:08:41 PM »
Abraham Lincoln had just 2 years in the US House of Reps and served 8 yrs in the Illinois legislature.

He then went on to lead the Union thru the most difficult time of the Republic.

James Buchanan served 10 years in the US House, 11 in the Senate, was Secy of State, and Ambassador to Britian before becoming arguably the worst president in US history.

Usain Bolt ran the 100 meters only for a year before breaking the world record and winning the gold medal and becoming the fastest man on earth.

Conclusion: Experience is not the best measure of future performance.

Yah missed my favorite.. Harry Truman.. NO experience. Was a Judge! The guy went on to make some of the toughest calls in history.
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« Reply #208 on: September 09, 2008, 09:14:13 PM »
Yeah but he was a Senator for 10 years before FDR tapped him in 1944.

Course then he hardly caught a glimpse of FDR when he was VP.
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« Reply #209 on: September 09, 2008, 09:17:07 PM »
Ahh! I did not know that! Thanks!
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