Author Topic: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.  (Read 1561 times)

Offline Holden McGroin

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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2008, 05:15:21 PM »
In 1999 Klinton signed into law S.900: Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.

What do Klingons have to do with this?
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2008, 05:17:28 PM »
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Unfortunately, if you read the history books, you'll find that everyone else besides the United States was basically vanquished.  Had Roosevelt not been there, we'd probably be speaking deutsche....your republican conservatives were crying for isolationism...for appeasement.

I've never read that the republicans wanted to appease the Axis. As far as isolationism goes, the American public didn't want any part of another European war. Roosevelt couldn't take us to war, it would have been political suicide to do so. The only way America was going to enter WWII was if we were attacked first. And as we all know, we were, Japan blind sided us at Pearl Harbor and the rest is history as they say.
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2008, 05:41:05 PM »
What do Klingons have to do with this?

Oh, crap. I was following links, putting together a response on the topic that was a page or two back. Had no idea we'd gotten to the nazi's already. wasn't expecting that fer a nuther coupla pages.

damn.

Oh, well.. the klingon bomb sounded good at the time...

*sigh*

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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2008, 06:13:36 PM »
Since we're talking economics here...which market do most of you prefer to use as an indicator? The DJIA (which closed over 500 down today... :uhoh), The NYSE, the AMEX...?

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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2008, 06:27:47 PM »
S&P 500 was down 4.7% today.  a much broader index than DJIA.

DJIA, -4.42%

five days since 1987 that it lost a higher percentage.

10+ days since 1998 that it had a greater 1 day gain than 4.42%

in 1987, DJIA lost 22.6% and recovered that % by 1990.
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2008, 06:45:50 PM »
S&P 500 was down 4.7% today.  a much broader index than DJIA.

DJIA, -4.42%

five days since 1987 that it lost a higher percentage.

10+ days since 1998 that it had a greater 1 day gain than 4.42%

in 1987, DJIA lost 22.6% and recovered that % by 1990.

Yeah, It's just that the Dow seems' to be on the front page in financial pages. I do know it has the highest point totals, over 14,000 a year and some ago.

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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2008, 08:46:47 PM »
Those companies knew exactly what they were doing. They were working on a 5 year plan assuming the people would get refinanced, default on the loan in that time frame or sell the loan to another company. It didn't matter either way, to the loan sharks because their risk was covered by the federal govt. They just played hot potato with the loans making massive profits the first few years and even if the people get in over their head the companies still profited by foreclosing.



Just a quick note:  Foreclosure is NOT profitable.  Not at all.  These companies don't want anything to do with owning a house, especially if the market is in the crapper.


More government control is never the answer.  Ever.  You can keep repeating that sick delusion of yours ad infinitum, but that doesn't mean it has worked, or will work.

Stupid people should suffer the consequences of their stupid actions.  We sit here and laugh at the fools on Youtube who face plant trying a new skateboarding trick or try to kitesurf in a freaking hurricane.  But the moment comes to humiliate both the borrowers who are retards, and the lenders who are just as retarded, and we waffle on it?  We feel sorry for them?

Now suddenly we must use the money of the Americans who had the sense to NOT play russian roulette with their finances to bail out mislead corporations and deluded hedge fund buyers?

mask that.  I don't care what Eagl says may be the consequences.  These people must dig their own retarded tulips out of their own graves.
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2008, 11:26:09 PM »
Just a quick note:  Foreclosure is NOT profitable.  Not at all.  These companies don't want anything to do with owning a house, especially if the market is in the crapper.


More government control is never the answer.  Ever.  You can keep repeating that sick delusion of yours ad infinitum, but that doesn't mean it has worked, or will work.

Stupid people should suffer the consequences of their stupid actions.  We sit here and laugh at the fools on Youtube who face plant trying a new skateboarding trick or try to kitesurf in a freaking hurricane.  But the moment comes to humiliate both the borrowers who are retards, and the lenders who are just as retarded, and we waffle on it?  We feel sorry for them?

Now suddenly we must use the money of the Americans who had the sense to NOT play russian roulette with their finances to bail out mislead corporations and deluded hedge fund buyers?

mask that.  I don't care what Eagl says may be the consequences.  These people must dig their own retarded tulips out of their own graves.

If any corporate entity engaged in the mortgage-lending industry was misled, it was by the carrot of high profits resulting from higher and higher total purchase prices, meaning larger loans and more money from interest. It was hung out there on the pole of greed, that's now going up every taxpayers' rectum sideways with gov't. bailouts of these same greedy companies.

Sadly, more people than just the lenders' were involved. Realty companies' could have done something about it too, but they were raking in more and more money on commisions, so they just rode that pony into the ground as well.

They had an unspoken responsibility to themselves, to keep the market stable. But, just like irresponsible children, they shouldn't have been left to their own devices. The theory of market self-regulation failed miserably in this case. Now, at this point, If we can ever dig ourselves out of this mess, we are gonna have to make the HUD (Department of Housing and Urban Development) figure out what it is gonna do in the future to keep a closer tab on what's going on in their sector of management; If they have to enact new rules, if they have to put in different guidelines, If they have to have someone like a Soviet-era commisar walking around shooting the corrupt ones' at their desks, the sooner the better. How many hits' to our economy can we take like this, anyone? If we ever even see the end of this one?
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2008, 11:31:18 PM »
the damage is even worse than that.. think of the wealth that was squeezed into the lenders pockets that didn't make it into the hands of local businesses and the mfg/service economy the usual way.. instead, it went from the bottom up, no middleman. Paid on friday and right to leahmans coffers..
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2008, 11:33:00 PM »
In 1999 Klinton signed into law S.900: Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.


You are going to feel really dumb when I point out who sponsored the bill..

It's also called the "Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act"

The bills comprising the act were introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-TX) and in the House of Representatives by James Leach (R-IA). The bills were passed along party lines with Republican support in the Senate and with bipartisan support in the House of Representatives. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass-Steagall since at least the 1980s. In 1987 the Congressional Research Service prepared a report which explored the case for preserving Glass-Steagall and the case against preserving the act.


source..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act

Clinton did sign the bill but the was only after many things were changed because he threatened to veto it, because of some of the stuff the Republicans tried to slip through. The act overall was good for the banking industry and gave some power back to the states in form of insurance regulation. It also provided protection to consumers who use ATM's by making the ATM vendors inform the user as to what the sure charge would be.

However the parts that caused the damage with letting lending companies cause the problems we have today were hidden deep in the 40 thousand pages of legislature. That was thanks to your Republican senator Phil Gramm who took in 1.5 million in donations (bribes) from the banking industry to push this bill. It also increased privacy laws for the consumers.

So before you start to lay blind blame maybe you should do a bit of research on the subject.
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Re: The Fate of the Economy... still under deliberation.
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2008, 11:43:20 PM »
Toss 'em all.

Of course, if you'd like to talk about who's screwing who now, lets have a look at yer boy Biden. The Credit Card Puppet. The K-Street Insider with the lobbyist son. He's the guy that made credit card usury legal. Some might say that makes yer team the dirtiest in this race.

All these cretins are dirty. republicans, democrats. claiming yer turds don't stink any more than the republicans is pretty weak when you look at the facts. Continue to play the party game and you get a fail too.

You get to choose.. do what you think is right; but quit trying to polish yer turds in here. Makes yah look stupid.
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