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Offline Charge

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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2008, 09:07:58 AM »
"movement of CoG"

I don't mean with this that the CoG would actually move around but its behaviour in relation to other forces affecting the airframe.

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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2008, 10:14:04 AM »
Yahoo search 'captain eric brown liar' and you'll get all kinds of hits.
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2008, 10:40:39 AM »
Quote from: BaldEagl on September 16, 2008, 01:16:37 AM
So, we can only assume that the lightest loaded A8 is still heavier than the heaviest loaded A5.  Considering that the wing area is at least similar, then the lower aoa of the A8 is no great mystery.

Anax, what's the weights as shown on the E6B at the different loading conditions?  No need to guesstimate when you've got the data.  Ultimately, the key is whether or not the weights are different.  If the A8 is higher, even at the lower loading condition, then wingloading is higher = higher stall speeds.

Schlowy, if you don't have anything productive to add to the discussion, stay out.
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2008, 10:48:51 AM »
Quote from: Schlowy on September 17, 2008, 10:14:04 AM
Yahoo search 'captain eric brown liar' and you'll get all kinds of hits.

lol, what does that have to do this thread and why do you dislike Eric Erown? Especially considering he thought the 190D was a fantastic aircraft.
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2008, 10:53:35 AM »
Quote from: Anaxogoras on September 16, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
190A-5 with 100% fuel and outboard cannons: 8760 lbs
190A-8 with  25% fuel, only two cannons: 8600 lbs

If you delete the outboard cannons on the A-5, 8584 lbs.

Again, why won't HT let me tie a piece of string to my wingtip for an AoA indicator? :D
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2008, 11:02:32 AM »
Quote from: Anaxogoras on September 17, 2008, 10:53:35 AM
If you delete the outboard cannons on the A-5, 8584 lbs.

Again, why won't HT let me tie a piece of string to my wingtip for an AoA indicator? :D

Sorry, I should have paid more attention to that post.  Assuming all other things are equal, the A8 at the same loading condition, should turn as well as the A5, i.e. not be more "insta-floppy".  I don't know much about how the airframe was modified (control surfaces and stations) between the A5 and A8, so I could be mistaken.
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2008, 02:57:47 PM »
Bottom of page 2, Charge put a link to an eric brown source. The guy shouldn't be used as a source, he's a proven liar.

Stoney, I didn't mean to interupt the thread, I'm not a gold or platium member!  ;)
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if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2008, 05:14:09 PM »
Getting back to CoG, it will "slide" with "G".
A delicate CoG will give very delicate control with the drawback of a vicious departure.
I have quite a bit of info on this...
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2008, 05:20:50 PM »
Quote from: Angus on September 17, 2008, 05:14:09 PM
Getting back to CoG, it will "slide" with "G"...I have quite a bit of info on this...

How does the CG "slide"?
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2008, 09:23:15 PM »
But an aft CG lowers stall speed so would help a tiny bit in the turn department.
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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2008, 04:41:01 AM »
"But an aft CG lowers stall speed so would help a tiny bit in the turn department."

Please read Stoney's post on the first page.

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Re: Fw 190 AoA
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2008, 06:08:33 AM »
CG "Slide" is maybe not a good enough term, - I need a better word. I'll look it up ASAP.
It was a problem with the SpitV, and was cured on that model. I have a chapter or two on this in different books.
They had to be balanced off a little, and the elevator controls were made a tad heavier.
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