Albigensian Crusade

[Elfie]

hmmm  free will         I want to have a discussion on this thread topic with folks on this bbs.

Then maybe try posting your question(s) so we can help you find the answer(s) and discuss them? Kinda hard to have a discussion when we don't know exactly what you want to discuss eh? 

[JAGED]

[SkyRock]

For something which purportedly does not exist and in which you do not believe, you bring up the religion quite a bit Skyrock.

It would be like me starting a dozen threads on Chupacabra, the lack of evidence for Chupacabra, making fun of people who believe in Chupacabara, etc.

I begin to think you don't disbelieve in God so much as personally dislike him.

This is history, of the gnostics, which I have been trying to learn more about.

[Anaxogoras]

The biggest fault of Christianity is not its fantastical cosmology or medieval metaphysics, those things are kind of fun : it is what it did to morality.  You could no longer slay your adversary with open contempt; it had to be "out of love."

[straffo]

Who initiated the conflict and why.  Also, what came of it, in other words, was there a change brought about by it's occurance that lasted any amount of time.
Thanks.

 

ouch !

in a period where feudalism was the rule there is no simple answer.

[Elfie]

Who initiated the conflict and why.  Also, what came of it, in other words, was there a change brought about by it's occurance that lasted any amount of time.
Thanks.

 

Missed this post, sorry.

Who started the Crusade and why:

http://xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm

Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) was concerned with the growing influence of Catharism, and saw that it threatened the authority of the Church. He saw the movement as a heresy that needed to be eliminated, as were Arianism and Manichaenism in earlier times. In 1204, Innocent III tasked Abbot Arnaud-Amaury [Arnold-Amalric], head of the Cistercian Order, to be a special legate to investigate Catharism in Languedoc. The papal legate used the cloister in the monstery of Fontfroide as his main outpost. Some regular clerics were also sent by the pope. One from Spain was Domingo de Guzmán, the future St. Dominic and founder of the Dominican Order. Domingo attempted to apply the Cathar's austere methods in his promotion of orthodox Christanity, and he had some success in converting a few Cathars. The progress was inadequate, and the Church decided to use force to either convert or to eliminate the declared heretic followers of Catharism.

End result was that the region the Cathars lived in (Languedoc) became part of France and that the Cathar sect was virtually eliminated. Most of the Crusaders in this case were French.

Wikipedia has a pretty good article on this crusade as well. (Albeit a rather short one)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

Hope this helps.

[Reschke]

The biggest problem with the Cathar belief was that the did not think you needed a priest or someone else to be between you and God. That Holy Catholic Church (now twisted into the Roman Catholic Church) did not like the fact that the Cathar belief could become more dominant than what they had in place and I have read many years ago that the Cathar "heresy" was on the verge of exploding onto the religious stage as the dominant form of Christianity.

I put the dispute between the Cathars and the Roman Catholics into the same way that the various "contemporary" Christian churches and services are viewed in today's world by many mainstream "God fearing Christians". They are growing by leaps and bounds but do they hold any real substance other than touchy, feely, lovey, God is good experiences.

Personally I don't view God in that way and after many years of study I tend to hold God in what some would view as a little closer to the way the Cathay's held God. Their is a constant good and evil in the world

[Elfie]

The Cathars also believed in 2 gods, not just one. One was evil (the devil) and the other was good. This is a direct contradiction of the Bible in that the *devil* is a fallen angel, not a god. According to the Bible, Lucifer (the devil) was cast out of heaven because he thought he was God's equal.