Author Topic: Bomber Time to Climb (Read 480 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »

Do what the rest of us do when climbing out in a buff, the dishes or the laundry

Eagler

popeye · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2001, 08:32:00 AM »

I vote NO to increasing the ROC. It wouldn't only change the time to altitude, it would also change the performance over target. Imagine the whines from fighter pilots trying to intercept a buff that climbed away from them -- no matter how small the performance change.

We already have elevated fields that reduce the time to altitude, without changing bomber performance. Seems like a good solution.

gatt · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »

No, thanks. Actually we have loaded buffs climbing almost like fighters. Try to catch a B17 with a 190A-8.

Pongo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2001, 09:46:00 AM »

You are of course free to bomb from any alt you like. The assumption here is that a 9k buff is not servivable. That is incorrect. A 20k buff is more servivable but a B26 at 8-10k is a very survivable plane.
Do you want the Lanc to have the climb ability of the B26? That would be silly.

I think the loss of flavour that would be incurred by your proposed game play change would be severe.

PS
I see lots of bombers up. But you are right if the Lanc or B17 could climb 3500 fpm we would see lots more of them.

Sunchaser · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »

Fishu, can you document your claim that AH bombers climb faster than they should?

Unlike many here I do not dig into performance data much but if someone else does I usually read it.

I notice that if I set the auto climb on a B17 with 50 fuel and 6K bombs at about 165 it climbs approx 750 feet per minute and that this rate declines the higher I get.

I have no clue if this is correct but when I was interested in B17-2 The Mighty Fiasco, one of the guys in our BG said that B17s climb about that speed.

I would appreciate any enlightenment concerning the climb rate from anyone who has some to offer.

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Fishu · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2001, 11:57:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Sunchaser:
Fishu, can you document your claim that AH bombers climb faster than they should?

Unlike many here I do not dig into performance data much but if someone else does I usually read it.

I notice that if I set the auto climb on a B17 with 50 fuel and 6K bombs at about 165 it climbs approx 750 feet per minute and that this rate declines the higher I get.

I have no clue if this is correct but when I was interested in B17-2 The Mighty Fiasco, one of the guys in our BG said that B17s climb about that speed.

I would appreciate any enlightenment concerning the climb rate from anyone who has some to offer.

Thats just at lower altitude
At higher altitudes it climbs faster than should
B-17 II isnt that much of a fiasco, runs fine and doesnt bother me when I have it for bomber flights, not for fighter fights.
(hih, I want B-17 from that game, there it climbs like a fighter after takeoff)

RAM · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2001, 12:14:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Sunchaser:
Fishu, can you document your claim that AH bombers climb faster than they should?

yes. B-17 engines overheated fast if used at 100% setting. So they could not climb for 30 minutes with 100% power.

So here the buffs climb faster than in real life.

SpitLead · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2001, 01:06:00 PM »

Obviously, I'm in the minority on this issue. The fighter jockeys have spoken. In the spirit of democracy, I withdraw my suggestion.

Tac · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2001, 04:17:00 PM »

spitlead, there are raised fields in your home island. Take off from one, get to 12k alt (from 8-15 mins depending on bomber) using near-stall climbing speed, then set climb speed to a tactical climb (aka, 200 or so) and point your bomber to your target.

Once you get to safe alt (23k) level and watch that baby get speed. From there on, depending on what your target is, it may be some 20 minutes more.

Ive been flying bombers a lot lately, and I do agree that it takes a long time to fly to target in a decent alt (without being an alt monkey at 30k), but heck, it IS a bomber you are flying, not a fighter.

However it would be good if there were BOMBER BASES in the home islands. Say, 10k fields with ack and 1 vh and 3 bh's. Nothing more.

That way if the home island is in danger, you wont have fighters upping from it with such a great alt advantage. Buffs would take off but still require time to get to 20k, and if home island is in trouble that means incoming fighters would already be near those alts or in nearby fields/fleets.

It would also cut down travel time for buffs. the hardest and most boring flight time is the one getting to 10k, after that most people either decide to go at it at 10k or alt monkey.

Any thoughts on this HT? bomber bases in the home islands?

RAM · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2001, 04:32:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SpitLead:
The fighter jockeys have spoken

AFAIK Sunchaser is a dedicated buff driver.

But I can be wrong.

SKurj · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2001, 05:11:00 PM »

Splitlead

The number of buffs in the MA is decent now.. Shorten their climb to altitude.. and guess what... all of a sudden there are alot more of them, and at even higher altitudes (due to shorter time to climb of course)
I think the bomber vs fighter numbers are at a balance right now. Of course if we reduce the effectiveness of the bombs so that 1 lanc can't close 1 field, that might work +)

As it is 2 lancs can close your HQ, right now it takes them something like 1 hr to reach 30k, if they could climb to 30k in 30 minutes... all of a sudden Aces would become pork warrior... No thanx

SKurj

Pongo · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2001, 05:48:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SpitLead:
Obviously, I'm in the minority on this issue. The fighter jockeys have spoken. In the spirit of democracy, I withdraw my suggestion.

Democrocy usually involves debate last time I checked.
I fly bombers 18% of sorties you do so about 11% I dont consider myself a bomber jock so I doubt you should.
Dont withdraw your sugestion just defend it or admit it was lame...

Pongo · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2001, 05:49:00 PM »

You have heard of Alt-X I assume...the plane will maintain a good climb rate without you...

sling322 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2001, 05:56:00 PM »

Kinda funny how it seems that he didnt even read your last post Sunchaser....

Sunchaser is not a "fighter jock"...in fact, he is far from it.

I would be tempted to say that I am a better fighter pilot than he is and he has been around a lot longer than I have. But most of that is because of the damn Hellcat....I just cant keep myself outta that plane

Before this version came out I was one of those dedicated bomber and goon pilots and flew many missions on Sunchaser's wing, so I can say with complete certainty that he is not a "fighter jock."

If you dont like the climbout time then dont be an alt-monkey. I rarely ever go over 21k in a B17 or Lancaster when I am in a bomber sortie. Heck its even lower when I am in a B26....I usually bomb from around 10-15k in a B26. I dont think it takes all that long to get up that high

Sunchaser · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2001, 06:56:00 PM »

Dammit Sling, now my secret is out for all to see!

Yeah, I am about as far as one can get from being a fighter jock.
All that twistin' and turnin' stuff gets me dizzy.

Fishu, stop trying to defend B17- whatever it ended up being called and read my post....look for the part that says "this rate declines the higher I get."

RAM, you ain't fishu....are ya?
And look up the meaning of the word document....and buffs.

AND, for anyone who cares, reduce MP to 45 or do any Rpm reduction to save the engines and the climb rate drops accordingly.

AND, WTF is this quoting the article you are replying to?

If you are replying most would figure that you at least read a couple of the words you are replying too, although quite often it is evident that some people do not or they do not understand what they read.

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