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Offline vonKrimm

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Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« on: September 17, 2008, 10:15:23 AM »
1) A-26

2) He-177

3) Ju-188

4) Do-217

I think all would have the bomber or attack option.

Any other OPERATONAL a/c ya'll can think of that HTC would put into the category that we could spend bomber perkies on?


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Offline JHerne

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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 10:29:23 AM »
Well, of course everyone gonna list the Superfortress and He-111, so might just as well add them in now.   :mad:

Most likely see requests for G4M Betty, but a Piaggio P108 or Consolidated PB4Y-2 Privateer would be a nice addition. The only other country that lacks a heavy in-game are the Russians, but we're pretty much limited to the Petlyakov Pe-8, and they only built 90 or so of them...

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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 10:36:48 AM »
vonKrimm,

Of the aircraft you listed only the A-26 would be perked.  The only other perk bombers I can think of would be the B-29A and Mosquito B.Mk XVI.

It is possible, I guess, that the He177A-5 and Il-10 might be perk worthy as budget perk bombers.  Maybe the B7A1 "Grace" as well.
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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 11:03:56 AM »
IMO... none of the bombers mentioned would warrant a perk score applied.  None of them can do anything special and they certainly do not perform any better than what we already have.

Actually... if we were to look at the cabability to bomb targets we have now and just how awesome those platforms are, I'd like to think HTC would put a small perk on the Lancs, B24, and B17.  If HTC is into perking the "cream of the crop" fighter planes, then why are not the best of the of the best bombers perked?  The lone perked bomber is simply fast.  That is it.  It carries as much ord as a B25 (3k lbs).

Stop and think about it.  

The Lanc can carry 14/1k bombs.  One single bomber can take out almost 5 hangers all by itself.  Take the 1/4k and 9/1k package and no CV is safe either.  The Lancs is truely under-appreciated for all its power.  Players will simply up and ho-hum to a target, drop the ord, and if they get shot down or bail "oh well".  Add a 10pt perk score to it and all of a sudden it becomes something that has to be managed just like someone does when they are up in a Tempest, F4U-4, etc.  Mind you, that would be 10pts per bomber.

The B24 can carry 4/2k bombs or 8/1k bombs.  That is far more massive than one thinks.  The 4/2k bombs allows more precise dmg to be done to a single target.  I have not paid much attention, but I would have to think it is the #1 bomber used to attack the HQ because it is far more able to defend itself and can fly faster than the Lanc and be more precise.  Add an 8pt perk score to it and all of a sudden it becomes something that needs to be managed.  Bombin' and bailin' or getting shot down becomes a concern (mind you, that would be 8pts per bomber).

The B17 cant carry the weight, but it can carry the ord.  No other bomber can carry as many 100lb (24) or 250lb (16) bombs.  So what one might ask?  Well, load up a flight or two of B17's and set the salvo to dump it all and have the delay set at .35 to .60 depending on the angle of the run (perform run at max speed) and anything and everything that is able to be destryed by a 250lb bomb will be down.  Talk about prepping a field.  Keep in mind, if a flight of B17's drop 100lb bombs, it is actually 300lb's hitting the target so when wanting to prep or strat/pork a field... nothing beats it.  Nothing will be standing save for the hangers.  Oh, and the B17 can still carry 6/1k bombs, too.  Not bad at all.  A single B17 cant quite take down a CV, but that what squaddies are for.  ;)  One flight of B17's can take down six hangers.  Quite impressive.  Add a 7pt perk score to it and the fly over target, drop bombs, let bombs impact,... and bail becomes a less likely event.  

One could make a case for the Ju-88 as well.  It can carry more ord weight than the B17 and can perform two missions in one bombing sortie.  The first pass can be to carpet bomb with the 20/100lb bombs (remember, it is 300lbs hitting the target so anything other than a hanger would be destoryed), and in the next pass or two it could take out up to 4 hangers.  Oh... and the Ju-88 has an awesome ability to carry 2 torps as well.  It takes 3 Jap/DE torps to sink a CV, so one flight easilty has this task under wraps.  Quite impressive, really.  I would imagine a perk score of 3-5 would be sufficient, if HTC goes this route.  

One can only imagine just how quickly people will cry over this proposal.  But seriously... stop and think about it.  Think about the capabilities each of the above bombers have and what they can do and how they are abused or taken for granted (bomb-n-bail).  Oh... and how many bomber perk points are building and building and building and not being used???    

            
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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 05:20:37 PM »
Smokin, yes it is 300lb of ord, but if your drones aren't perfectly in sync, it will not equal up to 300lb of ord.
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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 06:30:17 PM »
Smokin, yes it is 300lb of ord, but if your drones aren't perfectly in sync, it will not equal up to 300lb of ord.

If one lines up on target 25 miles out and does all the right things (open bomb-bay doors, max speed/level flight, etc), the bombs are close enough together that anything the center one is aimed for will have the #2 and #3 bomb.  Dont get me wrong, it isnt perfect but I can vouch for 3/4 occurances where I've bombed a strat (ord, barracks, building, fuel, etc) w/ three 100lb bombs and it went of in flames.

One thing I forgot to mention with the B17 is with the 24/100lb bombs, that is less than half the ord weight it is able to carry, but the coverage is far more.  The Flying Fortress gets to the target much quicker as well.
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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 12:43:21 PM »
IMO... none of the bombers mentioned would warrant a perk score applied.  None of them can do anything special a......................
If HTC is into perking the "cream of the crop" fighter planes, then why are not the best of the of the best bombers perked?............................. ........
One can only imagine just how quickly people will cry over this proposal.  But seriously... stop and think about it.  Think about the capabilities each of the above bombers have and what they can do and how they are abused or taken for granted (bomb-n-bail).  Oh... and how many bomber perk points are building and building and building and not being used???

Im actually all for it :aok. I am really sick of the bomb and bail Lancstuka drivers :furious. Maybe a perk IS what they need to fly the damn things. :salute
However I always thought that HTC perked aircraft because their RL versions were too few in number to significantly impact the war and didn't want too many of them buzzing around our virtual skies. :D
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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 02:59:03 PM »
 :aok  Perk the Lanc!
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Re: Wishes to spend bomber perks on
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 05:51:20 PM »
'Ya know SmokingLoon, has something.  The only perked bomber we have here is that POS, jet bomber, witch nobody seriously uses anyway.  As it stands now, the heavies are just used as dump-trucks.  The heavies are supposed to be used against high priority targets, not the tatilol bull hockey they are employed in now.  You want the airfield shut down, bring lots of medium bombers/P-47 bomb trucks.  They are for "point" targets, witch is what a hangar is anyway.  You want to go after strat targets with the heavies.  They are the ones with enough ordinance to seriously put a dent in the strat targets, and a perk price should be used to remind users what it really is meant for.  The strat system is a joke as it is now anyway, but that is for another thread, at another time.

Hazard, what you said is true, but he also didn't want the most effective planes unbalancing the arenas (a-la the C-Hog debacle).  Something like 50% of all arena kills were with the C-Hog in the months after it was introduced, that was a little to far over the edge.