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Offline Urchin

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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2008, 03:12:22 PM »
I best competitive advantage we could hope for is the elimination of the IRS the elimination of monetary gifts to foreign nations support of anyone that wants to do business with our politicians and a move to the Fair Tax which is hands down the best fix of all tax plans mentioned but it should ONLY finance essential government responsibilities like our Military. We need to remove retirement plans for government officials from tax payers obligations. We need to end entitlements and yes I mean ALL forms of welfare. We need to end social security (its already an impossible obligation). In fact we should eliminate all government except the White House Congress Senate Supreme Court FBI NSA and CIA. Everything else can go to the private sector.

So which of those aforementioned departments manages the military again?

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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2008, 03:24:10 PM »

 It's certainly true that, for now, Asian banks including Japan's have been barely affected by Wall Street's meltdown. That's mainly because the exposure has been very minimal. Asian banks, in general, have always been very conservative compared to American and European banks.

During the boom years, Asian banks were criticized for not making better use of their shareholders' money. Well, look who has the last laugh now.

Ummm... mayhaps you missed a key point... 'Asian Banks' is far too sweeping a reference. In china, The PRC owns the banks and the majority share of all big business. In Japan, after the 1998 meltdown on real estate investments in the US and the 2002 home collapse, the Government became the major shareholder. In Korea, the banking institutions are shared by both corporate and government interests. It should also be noted that all three systems are in vicious competition with one another..  looking 'inward' is the first 'checkpoint'.. they make no moves that'll leave them open to foreign funds grabbing control.

And here.. we just lost any chance of keeping the sovereign funds from snapping up broad swathes of our economic engine. We may be sitting here debating the fall of the western economies.. we'll know soon enough, I think.
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2008, 10:37:28 PM »
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he** don't worry about the bailout of AIG - if they do it right it should turn a profit within 3 years - as long as congress stays away from it
try to figure out how we are going to pay this off

our parents and grandparents had to ration, pay higher taxes and suffered a little to support our involvement on ww2... there is no way in h..that this current generation will sacrifice like that... raising taxes and war bonds wil never get rid of this debt
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 11:18:13 PM »
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

he** don't worry about the bailout of AIG - if they do it right it should turn a profit within 3 years - as long as congress stays away from it
try to figure out how we are going to pay this off

our parents and grandparents had to ration, pay higher taxes and suffered a little to support our involvement on ww2... there is no way in h..that this current generation will sacrifice like that... raising taxes and war bonds wil never get rid of this debt

Govt turned a profit on Chrysler, prolly turn profit on AIG as well--its only loans---AIG isnt insolvent
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2008, 11:44:30 PM »
The so-called Greatest Generation handed us a nation that already contained the germ seed of our financial ruin: the Federal Reserve.
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2008, 11:50:40 PM »
Actually the fed was instituted before the WW2 generation... We have Woodrow Wilson to 'thank' for that, finally taking the US off the gold standard in '71 was the real shaker.  I think pat was spot on in the article... the globalists are racing us down the road to ruin.... we need to be fully self sufficient again and only trade with nations for things we cannot make ourselves at all. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2008, 12:09:06 AM »
Actually the fed was instituted before the WW2 generation... We have Woodrow Wilson to 'thank' for that, finally taking the US off the gold standard in '71 was the real shaker.  I think pat was spot on in the article... the globalists are racing us down the road to ruin.... we need to be fully self sufficient again and only trade with nations for things we cannot make ourselves at all. 

The sad thing is - that is probably 90% of the goods we buy today - we don't make anything in the us anymore

but we are in a global financial market for good now - no way to stop it, as soon as the freddie mac mess became a reality - the global market tanked...a bank in england went under -- aig mess ... if that loan wasn't done ... the depression would have looked like a disney party

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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2008, 08:06:24 AM »
Actually the fed was instituted before the WW2 generation... We have Woodrow Wilson to 'thank' for that, finally taking the US off the gold standard in '71 was the real shaker.  I think pat was spot on in the article... the globalists are racing us down the road to ruin.... we need to be fully self sufficient again and only trade with nations for things we cannot make ourselves at all. 

I agree 100%.  Of course, we need to resume making the things we use.

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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2008, 08:12:57 AM »
I agree 100%.  Of course, we need to resume making the things we use.
We have the highest corporate tax rate in the western world, and we wonder why companies move overseas
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2008, 08:54:42 AM »
Actually the fed was instituted before the WW2 generation... We have Woodrow Wilson to 'thank' for that, finally taking the US off the gold standard in '71 was the real shaker.  I think pat was spot on in the article... the globalists are racing us down the road to ruin.... we need to be fully self sufficient again and only trade with nations for things we cannot make ourselves at all. 

A gold standard is not the answer.  Gold is scarce and therefore easy to monopolize.  Fiat money is the way to go, and constitution gives congress the authority to print and therefore regulate our money supply.
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2008, 08:56:49 AM »
The sad thing is - that is probably 90% of the goods we buy today - we don't make anything in the us anymore

you are wrong, but there is not room enough on here to list everything that is made in the USA.

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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2008, 09:34:21 AM »
We have the highest corporate tax rate in the western world, and we wonder why companies move overseas

Corporate tax in the US is from 15% to 39%. Even at 39% we aren't the highest, but most corporations do not pay the high end at 39%. Most that know how to play the books get by on the lower end. France for instance is 33% firm. Germany is 29%, Australia is 30%. I'd be willing to bet there aren't many big corporations paying more than 30%.

It's just the same as individual tax, you could pay from 0% to 35% just depends on your income vs deductions. Just like anyone with a clue won't end up paying 35%, any cooperation with a clue won't end up paying 39%.
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2008, 10:01:44 AM »
Ummm... mayhaps you missed a key point... 'Asian Banks' is far too sweeping a reference. In china, The PRC owns the banks and the majority share of all big business. In Japan, after the 1998 meltdown on real estate investments in the US and the 2002 home collapse, the Government became the major shareholder. In Korea, the banking institutions are shared by both corporate and government interests. It should also be noted that all three systems are in vicious competition with one another..  looking 'inward' is the first 'checkpoint'.. they make no moves that'll leave them open to foreign funds grabbing control.

And here.. we just lost any chance of keeping the sovereign funds from snapping up broad swathes of our economic engine. We may be sitting here debating the fall of the western economies.. we'll know soon enough, I think.

What the hell type of word is "that'll" ?

"strafing"

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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2008, 10:06:05 AM »
you are wrong, but there is not room enough on here to list everything that is made in the USA.
way to contribute...I guess ...
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Re: Financial Ruin a Symptom not a Cause
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2008, 10:20:17 AM »
What the hell type of word is "that'll" ?



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