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Offline Selino631

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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2008, 10:34:05 AM »
that video is pretty messed up, throwing baby pigs face first into the ground...   How come the company hasn't been shut down yet? I don't see how hard it is to just shoot the pig instead of taking ur time to hurt it as much as possible. plus can't that ruin the meat?
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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2008, 10:46:22 AM »
PETA stands for what again?

People Eating Tasty Animals  =   PETA 


Seriously.....those people in that video vid are f-heads.  One fundamental problem with PETA logic, is that it is a convenience of modern day society.  One hundred years ago, you had fewer choices of what, and when you ate, especially if you lived in a rural area.  Starvation was just a few missed meals away and I'll tell you if you are really starving, wether you are a PETA member or not, you would eat the rear end out of a dead elephant if you could.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2008, 10:57:43 AM »
Did you read the article?  I think the "sting" operations that peta does to show cruelty are probably the only sane thing they do.

What good does puncturing a pigs eyeballs with a pin or your fingers do?  Or the other stuff mentioned in the article?

I saw one where a beautiful silver/grey coated wolf was skinned alive, and just left there to wimper and die. It was probably the most guesome and cruel video i ever saw.  I have a dog, so it really pissed me off.

A job is a job, but shoot the poor thing first. One second of pain, vs torture.
I didn't read the article. I worked in just such a place for about a month. That was all I could take of it. I'm totally against torture and don't condone what the factory hog operations do. But these are the things that happen when they hire mostly kids to care for animals that they've never been around or don't have a financial stake in. I see nothing wrong with poking them with a stick to get them moving or bashing piglets heads on the concrete to kill them. It's quick and besides, how would you kill a animal that needs to be culled from the herd?
I believe you can be compassionate to the animal as well as provide a product that people want. But it has to be done by people that want to do it. Not by people that just need a paycheck.
The folks at PETA are nutjobs and big factory hog lots just help them make their case.
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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2008, 11:22:14 AM »
you ever try to get a 600 lb hog in a pen?

Yes. And I stand by my earlier post -- mistreating the animals this way in addition to being cruel is counterproductive. My uncle raises pigs and if you were to pull that crap in his barn he'd wring your neck.
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2008, 12:02:38 PM »
Yes, I understand what your saying. But, how many head does your uncle have?. Dealing with 2or3 is one thing. But if you have 20or30 running down at you, you have to move quick or YOU'LL get hurt. I personally think the use of hotshots were allowed. It gives them a quick shock. They work well on cattle and any managable herd animal for that matter.
There I think lies the problem. The big operations are way to big to manage in a humane manner.
Factory farms are hated around here. They pollute ground water, air and the trucks destroy the roads. We just voted to not allow one in our county.
I'd like to see them wiped off the map. But not by PETA. :salute
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2008, 02:25:35 PM »
There is a hog company that has its home office about 15 minutes from where I live. This company runs gobs of hog farms in iowa. Dont know if they are owned from the same people or not
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2008, 02:28:42 PM »
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals :rock :rock :rock
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2008, 02:35:46 PM »
The worst thing about factory hog farms isn't the treatment of the animals, but the waste that goes into our streams and rivers.  It leads to excessive algae blooms and fish kills in the hundreds of millions sometimes.
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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2008, 04:28:21 PM »
Yes, I understand what your saying. But, how many head does your uncle have?. Dealing with 2or3 is one thing. But if you have 20or30 running down at you, you have to move quick or YOU'LL get hurt.

He has a sow finishing farm and runs about 300 sows, finishes 1800 pigs. I'm familiar with swine behavior, and -- for the 3rd time now -- I'm saying there's no excuse for this type of behavior.
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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2008, 04:36:08 PM »
i have nothing against vegitarieans but those PETA people are impossible, they have sat infront of our nice KFC and protested, one day i was going inside and they started yelling at me saying i am toutering chickens.

Man, that's where I draw the line.  No chicken is so bad it needs to be toutered.
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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2008, 04:38:22 PM »
If I was penniless and cold and hungry I would use sticks and stones and anything I could get my hands on to smask the brains of an animal to have food but I would never poke it in the eye with a finger to torment it. People that do that are no better then primates but that behaviour is no reason for us to stop eating pork.

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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2008, 08:22:20 PM »
I feel bad for those pigs, yes.  Especially the ones that were kicked, tortured, or beaten. 

But we gotta eat.  Kill them if you must, but don't spray toxic paint of their noses...

As for the "morale" of the story that PETA was trying to send out.... I love bacon, and I will continue to eat it.  Hot dogs too...  (Even though I don't even think those are made out of meat)

Oh and one more thing... Is that really how you kill a pig?  By shooting it in the head? 
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2008, 08:39:52 PM »
One of the problems is that organisations like PETA and Greenpeace are no stranges to 'faked' videos where people are paid off to mistreat animals for the camera. So how can you take any of these video's seriously?

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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2008, 09:03:49 PM »
PETA has never stood on reputable science when they can use photoshop and a film editor to gain soccor mommy sympothy.

From:

The Welfare of Pigs During Transport and Slaughter
Temple Grandin
Department of Animal Science
Colorado State University
Fort Collins CO 80523-1171
http://www.grandin.com/references/pig.welfare.during.transport.slaughter.html

Stunning Methods

Electric Stunning
To induce instantaneous insensibility, electrical stunning must induce an epileptic state by passing an electrical current through the pig’s brain (Hoenderken, 1978, 1983; Warrington, 1974; Croft, 1952, Lambooij et al., 1996, and Gregory, 1998). There are two basic types of electrical stunning. Head only where the tongs are placed across the head and cardiac arrest where a current is passed through both the head and heart. Head only stunning is reversible and the pig will return to sensibility unless bled quickly. Cardiac arrest stunning will kill most of the pigs by stopping the heart. For pigs, the amperage that is required to induce epilepsy is 1.25 amps (Hoenderken, 1978-1983). There also must be sufficient voltage to deliver the current. The recommended minimum voltage is 250 volts (Troeger and Woltensdorf, 1989).
To reduce blood splashing (petechial hemorrhages) in the meat, some slaughter plants use high frequency stunning. However, too high of an electrical frequency of 2000 to 3000 hz failed to induce instantaneous insensibility (Warrington, 1974, Croft, 1952, Van derWal, 1978). Fifty cycles which is the regular mains electrical frequency was the most effective (Warrington, 1974). Anil and Mckinstry (1994) found that 1592 hz sine wave or 1642 hz square wave head only stunning at 800 ma induced seizure activity in small pigs. The main disadvantage is that at frequencies above 50 hz return to sensibility will occur more quickly (Anil and McKinstry, 1994). Due to kicking, high frequency head only stunning is not practical unless it is combined with an additional current to stop the heart. Eight hundred hz head only stunning in conjunction with a 50 hz current applied to the body is effective (Berghaus and Troeger, 1998; Lambooij et al., 1996 and Wenzlawowicz et al., 1999). This system is available in commercially built equipment.

Most plants in the U.S. apply a single current passed from the head to the body. It is essential to apply sufficient current to induce both cardiac arrest and an epileptic seizure. The author has observed large sows where sufficient current was applied to induce cardiac arrest but insensibility was not induced. In this situation, the sows had natural spontaneous blinking five seconds after stunning which later disappeared due to cardiac arrest (Grandin, 2001). Raising the amperage to greater than 1.25 amp eliminated blinking in sows. The blink looked like the blink of an unstunned pig and it was not rapid nystagmus.

Electrodes must be placed in the correct position to put the brain in the current path (Croft, 1952; Warington, 1974; Anil and McKinstry, 1998). Placing the electrodes too far back on the neck will result in a shorter period of insensibility (Velarde et al, 2000). Grandin (2001a) observed that placing the head electrode of a cardiac arrest stunner too far back on the neck resulted in blinking pigs. Placing the electrode in the hollow behind the ear eliminated the eye reflexes.

Electronic systems are now available to control amperage surges that cause petechial hemorrhages and monitor how well the operator applies the stunning tongs. Gregory (2001) monitored the electrical tracings of stuns to detect problems such as poor initial contact with the animal or interrupted stuns. He concluded that animal welfare problems occurred in about 9% of the stuns. Ross (2002) has developed an electronic microprocessor system that controls waveform, frequency and stun time. This computerized system also records operator errors that would compromise pig welfare such as interrupted stuns and energizing the electrode before it is in full contact with the pig. Unpublished data collected from these computers indicate that stunner operator errors due to fatigue greatly increase after 2 hours. Premature energizing of the electrode will cause squealing. Squealing is correlated with physiological indicators of stress (Warriss et al., 1994). White et al. (1995) reports that squealing is associated with discomfort.

Grandin (2001a) has found that problems with return to sensibility after electrical stunning can be easily corrected. The most common causes of problems with return to sensibility were wrong position of the tongs and poor bleeding technique (Grandin 2001a). Improving the ergonomic design of the head to back cardiac current stunning tongs or the employee’s work station, eliminated problems with return to sensibility.

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Re: PETA pig farm investigation
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2008, 06:51:40 AM »
Being a farmer,I know my odds and ends about meat production. It leads to me not having any special interest in pig or chicken, and going organic.
My info is from the job by the way. Warning, graphic text....
I had a PETA person on the farm. No problem at all,- on the contrary one of the best employees ever.
Now if you want to go deeper into the business of pigs, it's all about money. And the standard exercize for the production is enough to shock anyone not used to it.
You will for instance have piglets on racks, so they crap on top of the lower ones. Space savings is better economically than the increased death and disease rate.
A pig will never go outside. Nor will a chicken.
The chicken are grown in big lots and normally are on medication all their lives save the last week, (cleanout) where they die by some impressive numbers.
The slaughter is also interesting. BTW, many years ago, in Denmark, they gassed pigs with CO, which is not that bad, since they completely pass out. Where I live, all big stock is shot with a bolt though.
The chicken are hung upwards on a conveyer by the legs which leads them into the knife, choppie choppie,as fastas you can.
Not sure if I want to go into the egg business, but I pretty much like the idea of animals in meadows and seeing the sun.
Building a chicken hut as I write,as well as having a cow for the home, beef for the home, potatoes from the back yard and when I buy pork,I buy it from a guy who handles the pigs in very much a friendlier way.
Say all you like, but I think the most of you would have second thoughts after a good trip to an intensive meat production plant....
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