Obama encourages his minions to spead his lies and get in people's faces

[FrodeMk3]

But Frode... look at it this way, the federal government should never be so powerful or intrusive as to worry about anyone threatening anyone for any reason. (except the president) His statement was not just a threat, it was political about his reaction to a government overstepping their bounds. It is ACTION that state and local government only should act on... We should ALL be far more concerned about a federal government that is capable of a murders like those in Ruby Ridge than someone on an internet BBS saying "You might be on my list".

With what can be done with computers today, I can't be so sure, myself. You would have to ask Skuzzy's opinion on what someone could do to find out someone's true I.D./address, even in this system, whether or not someone could hack his server to find out thing's like Credit card info, or true location/street address. I don't know about AH, but it's been done before, on other systems. Think about it this way...one person in this community turns nutbag, decides to "get even" with another poster/posters. Has some skill with a PC, manages' to hack into the database, and get's access to CC info that leads' to real locations' or identities of people on here he wants to target.

Up to this point, law enforcement/gov't. don't make a big deal about it, because hacking occurs all of the time. Maybe some keywords' trip alarms at someplace in the department of Homeland security (remember, warrantless wiretapping...The net doesn't even have that much legal protection.) Anyway...It would only take one person scanning stuff like what we put up here on the board, to raise an alarm. Next thing you know, This becomes another arrow in the quiver of Anti-gun groups to use against the 2nd. They would be able to point to any kind of threats, and use those to show that we still have a nation of guns' in the hands of potential killers. A threat like some of those made in this thread would be able to be used in a court of law anymore to show cause. The political end of the argument would be used to point to a possible 'movement' not unlike the Branch Davidians, or the militia groups' that used to hide in Oregon or Washington state. The threat that could be pointed to an individual would be what sets it off...

So in short, KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE LAME-ASS THREATS.

[Buzzard7]

Never said it was MY list. Chill California dude.
If the Gov't sees fit to prosecute me over that statement then you and I have even bigger problems.

[FrodeMk3]

Never said it was MY list. Chill California dude.
If the Gov't sees fit to prosecute me over that statement then you and I have even bigger problems.

They prosecute over some of the littlest things. I'm sorry, should have added that earlier.

TwentyFo, I am a gun nut. You should be worried about that. When the Gov't tries to take away my right to own any weapon I choose your kind will be the first on the list.

That's what you wrote in your post, Buzzard.

[Buzzard7]

Now that I look at it I could see where you thought it might be my list.
Perhaps I should have worded it better but I was in a hurry. Not all of us can be so good at getting a point across. Frode maybe you should write for me so this doesn't happen again. After all your posts seem so well put to paper.


And yes they do prosecute over the littlest things which is why we have bigger problems.


Frode I am not the one who would make a list like that and then act on it. I was just stating that there might be someone that is and who they might put on such list. It would be very hard in this state to start making laws against gun owners, unless the cows could start voting. After all they out number us humans in a few counties.

[FrodeMk3]

Now that I look at it I could see where you thought it might be my list.
Perhaps I should have worded it better but I was in a hurry. Not all of us can be so good at getting a point across. Frode maybe you should write for me so this doesn't happen again. After all your posts seem so well put to paper.


And yes they do prosecute over the littlest things which is why we have bigger problems.


Frode I am not the one who would make a list like that and then act on it. I was just stating that there might be someone that is and who they might put on such list. It would be very hard in this state to start making laws against gun owners, unless the cows could start voting. After all they out number us humans in a few counties.

No Worries...

I'm just more concerned with the seeming lack of states' rights vs. the Federal Gov't. Plus, in this day and age of things' like the Homeland Security act, you really never know what could happen to you. Our Gov't. isn't the same one it was 50 years ago.

[lazs2]

newbie.. I explained.. now.. you want to tell me what makes you think I am a racist once and for all?  I find the throwing out of the term by lefties to be disgusting and lazy and deceptive.

You can also answer my thoughts on gun control and tell me that I am wrong about what anti gun nuts know about firearms..  you don't know squat and you don't know what osamabinbiden means by "reasonable" restrictions.

It is like abortion.. you might vote for a candidate if he said he believed in abortion with "reasonable" restrictions..   I bet you would be angry when you found out that his idea of reasonable was..  no woman under the age of 65 could have one.

Your boy does that a lot.. he simply tries to pander to the willing mushheads while not saying a thing of any substance.

lazs

[Nwbie]

newbie.. I explained.. now.. you want to tell me what makes you think I am a racist once and for all?  I find the throwing out of the term by lefties to be disgusting and lazy and deceptive.

You can also answer my thoughts on gun control and tell me that I am wrong about what anti gun nuts know about firearms..  you don't know squat and you don't know what osamabinbiden means by "reasonable" restrictions.

It is like abortion.. you might vote for a candidate if he said he believed in abortion with "reasonable" restrictions..   I bet you would be angry when you found out that his idea of reasonable was..  no woman under the age of 65 could have one.

Your boy does that a lot.. he simply tries to pander to the willing mushheads while not saying a thing of any substance.

lazs

racism - perception i received from majority of your posts - my perception - granted mine, may be wrong, but it is a perception

liberal - anyone who doesn't agree with you...

abortion - free will- if there are the "pearly gates" and we will need to confess our sins and face judgement day - let those who tempt that fate make their own decisions, I don't profess to be Jod, you may be surprised i am against abortions, but I am way more for the right to have free will..

reasonable - there is no reasonable answer to the problems with handguns in the US, just that there is a problem, and your answers don't show any reasonable solution, and to you Obama's stance is not reasonable, -yet - i don't think you will see him with a banner over his head saying Mission Accomplished either... from what i have read, he is not against guns, he is against guns used in crimes and trying to find a solution,

"Institute of Hypnotherapy" - tell me honestly you didn't chuckle and shake your head

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

You crack me up.

[bustr]

Well at least nwbie you have begun to write in comprehensable paragraphs. If you google california and hypnotherapy you will find SoCal is inundated with centers and single practicing professionals. It's an over saturated market of liberal new age con artists making money on the wealthy liberals who live in SoCal.

You remind me of a woman who one of my teachers refused to take as a client because she was a serial therpist stalker. She had gone through most of the name practitioners in the area and had gotten restraining orders serverd to her. She had come to him 4 times to get him to take her case. She was already known and notorious in the area for her antics.

She showed up at his lecture engagements for 6 months telling everyone in the lobby that he was a quack, abused his wife, took money under false pretensis....He finally got tired of it and talked to her in a lobby in front of his audience.

The gist of what he said was, I'm sorry your relationships with people fall apart and that no one will pay attention to you. It must be hard and I hope in the near future you find something spiritual to fill your void. And may I offer you free copies of all my publications.

30 days later she stopped by the institute to thank him for what he said. Seems she decided to divorce her spouce and donate all of her money to an Ashram in some obscure town in west oregon. She was on her way relocating to that obscure town in oregon to start her new life. We never heard from her again.

[Hornet33]

reasonable - there is no reasonable answer to the problems with handguns in the US, just that there is a problem, and your answers don't show any reasonable solution, and to you Obama's stance is not reasonable, -yet - i don't think you will see him with a banner over his head saying Mission Accomplished either... from what i have read, he is not against guns, he is against guns used in crimes and trying to find a solution,

What is the probem with handguns in this country? How many handguns have jumped up and robbed someone, or killed someone all on their own? NONE!!! The problem isn't with the gun, the problem is with the person behind the gun so go after them but leave my guns alone because they have never hurt anyone on their own and never will unless I use them in defense of myself or innocents around me.

The problem with the gun grabbers is they are looking at the tool used and NOT the person wielding that tool. If guns are such a blight on society and are responsible for killing so many people that they should be banned, then how about we go after the biggest killers in this country first. Cars and Doctors. Lets get rid of those before guns because they kill more Americans every year than guns do. Besides cars and doctors aren't protected by the Constitution so getting rid of them in no way impairs on my rights like trying to take away my guns does.

You want a soluton to ending the use of guns in a crime. Pass laws that PROTECT the victims of said crimes for using their own guns in defense. Protect the gun manufactures from liability lawsuits. Enact a Federal Castle Doctrine law and issue Federal Concelled Carry Permits.

And here is a little fact that the gun grabbers ALWAYS tend to ignore. 90% or better of ALL gun crime commited in this country are by people who are ALREADY convicted felons and aren't supposed to have guns anyways accourding to the law, and those crimes are committed against, on a better than 75% basis, towards other convicted felons who also aren't supposed to have guns in the first place accourding to the law.

So you have guns in the hands of criminals that are using them more often killing other criminals and you see this as a problem? Most of the people killed each year by gun violence wont be missed.

Yeah that sounds cold and heartless, but I have no remorse for thinking that way about someone who does nothing but gangbangs, cheats, and steals for a living. They can kill each other all they want as far as I'm concerned, but NO ONE has the right to deny me my RIGHT to defend myself from those animals if and when they decide that killing each other isn't enough and they decide they want to take a poke at me, or you for that matter and I just happen to be there. I would use my guns to protect your butt right along with mine if needed, but you think Obama's ideas are reasonable?

[Nwbie]

"{And here is a little fact that the gun grabbers ALWAYS tend to ignore. 90% or better of ALL gun crime commited in this country are by people who are ALREADY convicted felons and aren't supposed to have guns anyways accourding to the law, and those crimes are committed against, on a better than 75% basis, towards other convicted felons who also aren't supposed to have guns in the first place accourding to the law"

Interesting statistic - source?

[Hornet33]

Take your pick. FBI criminal data supports this as well as the NRA crime data. There is no single source that has compiled those numbers. I generated those numbers be reading the FBI and NRA data.

Take the time to read through the data and you'll see that easily 9 out of 10 gun crimes committed in this country are done so by people who aren't even supposed to have them in the first place because they already have a criminal background and most have been convicted of felonies.

As far as the victims go, reading the files at least 6-7 out of 10 victims are convicted felons or small time gangbangers with a criminal history and were shot and killed by other convited fellons or gangbangers at least 9 out of 10 times.

Read the your local paper and see who did the shooting and who got shot. Bet you 90% of the time it's going to be gang related.

This is a situation that doesn't need an official study done on it, just open your eyes and look around. Read the local police reports and newspapers concerning gun crimes. The kid that accidently shoots themselves or goes off at school and shoots people is VERY rare, that's why it always gets the hype, yet everyday gangbangers are shooting each other and it might get a blurb on the 11PM news because it's NOT news anymore and no one really cares if they are killing each other.

[Nwbie]

are you taking into account all crimes commited with handguns where no one was actually shot, or just wounded?
Those stats you have include those?

[Hornet33]

I'm talking about any gun related crime. Doesn't matter if a shot was fired or not. Gun crime happens at the hand of a CRIMINAL, and most of those that use guns in commiting a crime have been convicted in the past of other crimes and aren't supposed to have one in the first place.

It is the rare murder/attempted murder that happens where the person comitting the crime doesn't have a criminal past, and those are more along the lines of crime of passion type things.

It's all common knowledge for those smart enough to open their eyes and see it for what it is.

For every case you can show me where a gun was used in a crime by someone without a criminal record, I could show you ten where a gun was used in comitting a crime where the criminal has a record and has been convicted and isn't even supposed to have a gun.

So what is the REAL problem? The guns, or the criminals, and how does banning my firearms, a law abiding citizen, going to accomplish anything in solving the problem, other than making me an easier victim for the criminals who don't care about any laws to begin with?

The criminals are running around with AK-47's and the government wants to reduce my capablity in firepower against them so a few left wing, lets all have a group hug people, can feel good about themselves.

[Nwbie]

Well at least nwbie you have begun to write in comprehensable paragraphs. If you google california and hypnotherapy you will find SoCal is inundated with centers and single practicing professionals. It's an over saturated market of liberal new age con artists making money on the wealthy liberals who live in SoCal.

You remind me of a woman who one of my teachers refused to take as a client because she was a serial therpist stalker. She had gone through most of the name practitioners in the area and had gotten restraining orders serverd to her. She had come to him 4 times to get him to take her case. She was already known and notorious in the area for her antics.

She showed up at his lecture engagements for 6 months telling everyone in the lobby that he was a quack, abused his wife, took money under false pretensis....He finally got tired of it and talked to her in a lobby in front of his audience.

The gist of what he said was, I'm sorry your relationships with people fall apart and that no one will pay attention to you. It must be hard and I hope in the near future you find something spiritual to fill your void. And may I offer you free copies of all my publications.

30 days later she stopped by the institute to thank him for what he said. Seems she decided to divorce her spouce and donate all of her money to an Ashram in some obscure town in west oregon. She was on her way relocating to that obscure town in oregon to start her new life. We never heard from her again.

lol bustr - Projecting again aren't you
show me where on this thread that i speciifically had a conversation with you, until you jumped in and started ankle humping. Perhaps you are not used to someone responding to you with - wow are you full of crap- hypnotherapy? jeez and you paid money for that education? Or was it a public school?
Maybe you should try being an english teacher or of creative writing, you corrected and praised my paragraph style, do i get a gold star?
This is a bbs, write any style you want.  - and by the way, if you are going to insult someone, at least be creative, come up with one of your own, all you do is repeat, or did they teach puppetry in that institute too? Because all you have done is to try talking for other people, those who understand proper therapy techniques know when to shut up. You went to a few lectures thats it, it is obvious, I went to quite a few lectures., I don't pretend to be an expert at anything.
Your stories are hilarious, fantasy maybe, but hilarious. Was that teacher - Uri Geller? - was he teaching Spoon bending?
Go have a few more drinks, stew on it-then spew on it...
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