American Civial War

[Dago]

It is kind of funny with a name like that but i earn it. 

I am sure none of us doubt that.   

[eskimo2]

I don’t think I’d ever imagined a situation where I’d rip on a guy for having male performance issues; I mean that’s just not cool.  But I never imagined that I’d ever run across a guy who would brag that his nickname was “Small Load”.  I bet Pope Benedict XVI, Dr. Ruth or even Richard Simmons couldn’t resist a jab at such a guy…

[MoeRon]

So, how does one *earn* a nickname like "Small Load"?  I am honestly curious.

Does it involve a circle jerk and a ginger nut?

...and just a point on *my* arrogance.  I suggest you look in the mirror young fellow.  You've started a thread called "How did WWII started" which evidences your command of the English language is sorely lacking...yet somehow you know more about its origins than everyone here because you will give us the answer in 24 hours.  Your next effort is about something called the Civial War, which only serves to confirm that the error in your subject line of the WWII thread was not just a innocent mistake and that while you may be paying some attention in history class you need to concentrate a bit more in English class.

[Masherbrum]

Perhaps you missed it where I clearly explained that Slavery was the cause of the split, Abraham Lincoln was the cause of the war.

....and yet you're still wrong.   

[lazs2]

eskimo..  I think that you will find that the soldiers in Iraq are pretty much in sync with what the reasons given by our government are.

I don't think that anyone shooting in the civil war was doing so.. at least when it started.. about freeing slaves. 

"Abraham Lincoln's position on freeing the slaves was one of the central issues in American history. Though Abraham Lincoln was one of the people identified as most responsible for the abolition of slavery, he did not initially take the position that it was appropriate that federal laws be passed to abolish the practice in states where it already existed. Most Americans agreed that if slavery did not expand it would eventually become extinct, and Lincoln proposed ending that expansion.

Before the American Civil War and even on the war's early stages Lincoln said that the Constitution prohibited the federal government from abolishing slavery in states where it already existed. His position and the position of the Republican Party in 1860 was that slavery should not be allowed to expand into any more territories, and thus all future states admitted to the Union would be free states."

So, when the war started it had nothing to do with slavery.   The war was not started about slavery but about economics and states rights.

Lincoln destroyed the constitution in order to preserve the union not to end slavery.   He himself said that he would have every negro in chains if it would preserve the union.

You guys need a another hero.   Charlton Heston marched with MLK in the 60's by the way.. he could be your hero?

lazs

[lazs2]

Here is the letter that lincoln wrote to greely and that was published

"As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

[Tango]

Perhaps you missed it where I clearly explained that Slavery was the cause of the split, Abraham Lincoln was the cause of the war.

Then explain why he waited till halfway through the war to free the slaves if slavery was the cause.

[lazs2]

well.. this is getting political and.. well... icky..  mean stuff is next.

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

Then explain why he waited till halfway through the war to free the slaves if slavery was the cause.

Slavery was the foundation for the split of the slave states from the free states.

No free state joined the Confederacy, no free state cited states rights and seceeded from the Union.

Lincoln was not president when the first slave states seceeded. 

In 1860, Congressman Laurence M. Keitt of South Carolina said, "The anti-slavery party contends that slavery is wrong in itself, and the Government is a consolidated national democracy. We of the South contend that slavery is right, and that this is a confederate Republic of sovereign States."

In 1860 in New Haven Conn, Abraham Lincoln said, "the question of Slavery is the question, the all absorbing topic of the day. It is true that all of us -- and by that I mean, not the Republican party alone, but the whole American people, here and elsewhere -- all of us wish this question settled -- wish it out of the way. It stands in the way, and prevents the adjustment, and the giving of necessary attention to other questions of national house-keeping."

That is why  South Carolina said in Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union "The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution."

So those who seceeded said the cause of the trampling on states rights by the federal government was "an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery"... not to slaveholding states, but to the insitituion of slavery itself.

Perhaps one could come to the conclusion that since Lincoln and the South Carolina legislature thought slavery was the issue, that just maybe perhaps slavery was the issue.

[lasersailor184]

Then explain why he waited till halfway through the war to free the slaves if slavery was the cause.

I said it was the cause of the split, that is the secession of the southern states.  Regardless of the cause of the split, Lincoln felt that they didn't have the right to leave, even though they did.  Lincoln then attacked the south, or at least blatantly provoked the south, believing he had every right to force back in those who didn't want a union anymore.


You'll notice here that some of us do not hold Lincoln in the greatest regard.  The fact that Lincoln ultimately, and barely, freed the slaves often causes most people to overlook everything else he did while being president.  Stuff that would send any America loving person into fits.

[oakranger]

I used to be a reenactor.  I was with the 3rd Alabama Co. B.  We represented the Mobile Cadets, of which 300 went into war in 1860 and 30 or so survived.

The painting in my avatar is one I did back in 83.  The subject posed for a photo at Harrisonburg, LA in 82.  He had Comanche Indian ancestory, but I painted him as a North Carolina Cherokee Scout (N.C. 69th) with the First National Flag as the background.  The rifle he has is a musketoon, or short barreled .58 cal 2 banded Enfield.  This rifle was mostly used by artillery troops, but a scout can carry anything he wants, usually light.

I enjoyed my experience with reenactors and learned a lot of useful things.  One time we were in Vicksburg, MS for the Battle of Champion Hill.  There were film crews there on the hillside.  I decided to stay up there on the hill to watch the battle.  It was well worth it.  Most of the battlefield was covered in smoke, and every here and there a small pocket of clear would open up and there would be a line of soldiers visible wherever a clear pocket would open up.

That night and all the next day it rained.  We drilled in the rain doing wheel turns with 100 men.  Lightening was flashing and there was the commander on his white horse, sword raised high drilling the troops. 

Our tent dug a fire pit during and after the drilling.  We made a drain tunnel so the fire wouldn't go out.  Ours was the only fire in the camp.  The Mississippi national guard was called to evacuate 1000 people.  A duesenhalf got stuck.

That was a memorable weekend.




Les




 

I image you been in battles in Lousiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, and Tennessee.  Glad to see another AH player that has the same pasion as me. 

[oakranger]

And while we're on the topic, Curval has a hot wife whom he's knocked up on numerous occasions.

He may seem arrogant from someone with load issues, but that's just the way it is.

      

Hey Curval, i may have bad grammar and spelling, bt at least i am not a arrogant A-HOLE who bullies people.

[MoeRon]

[Hangtime]

     

Hey Curval, i may have bad grammar and spelling, bt at least i am not a arrogant A-HOLE who bullies people.

um, i wouldn't mess with curvie if i wuz you.

he's got connexions.

[Dago]

um, i wouldn't mess with curvie if i wuz you.

he's got connexions.

Not to mention a closet full of colorful and always fashionable shorts.