M4 armor wtf

[715]

Head on to M4: don't hit the turret and don't hit the glacis.  Hit the center of the curved armor near the bottom of the glacis.  Side on you can hit the turret or the hull and easily take out an M4 in one shot.

[Bronk]

Why would I agree to that?  What does one have to do with the other?

Has nothing to do with armor thickness, so don't look at that.

[Anaxogoras]

Head on to M4: don't hit the turret and don't hit the glacis.  Hit the center of the curved armor near the bottom of the glacis.  Side on you can hit the turret or the hull and easily take out an M4 in one shot.

So I had to hit him lower down?  That would've been hard to do because he was behind a small hill, but I'll remember that for the future.

[CAP1]

Armor was supposed to be a weakness of the M4.  A panzer would have been long dead in this same situation.

if i remember right from reading about them, the panzers could kill shermans from approx 1500 yards easily, whereas the shermans guns weren't effective till within 700 or 800 yards?

[Anaxogoras]

if i remember right from reading about them, the panzers could kill shermans from approx 1500 yards easily, whereas the shermans guns weren't effective till within 700 or 800 yards?

That's the Sherman without the big gun that the Firefly has, but nothing should change in the Panzer's ability to kill it.

[Bronk]

if i remember right from reading about them, the panzers could kill shermans from approx 1500 yards easily, whereas the shermans guns weren't effective till within 700 or 800 yards?

FIREFLY= teh 1337!!!!!111!!!!111eleven   gun.

[E25280]

if i remember right from reading about them, the panzers could kill shermans from approx 1500 yards easily, whereas the shermans guns weren't effective till within 700 or 800 yards?

Since "Panzer" is a generic term for a German tank, it can just as easily mean the Panther or Tiger, which had much more powerful guns than the PzkwIV.

Oh, and Anaxogoras -- they could kill T-34s easily from that range, too.   

[macerxgp]

I seem to remember that most models of the Sherman had highly inadequate armor, usually very easy to penetrate.


Also, any chance we may be getting either the standard M4 or one with the M1A1C 76mm gun? (Similar performance to the 17-pounder, but less powerful by a decent margin. Possibly a low-point perk tank?)

[stroker71]

With the perk price of the firefly the standard M4 should be free...if we get it.

[Saxman]

When I'm in a tank of any sort I die just fine to the first hit at 2000yds. EVERY time. Where can *I* get this magical armor? 

[VonMessa]

When I'm in a tank of any sort I die just fine to the first hit at 2000yds. EVERY time. Where can *I* get this magical armor? 

Nobody told you about the Scotch and where to send it, yet, have they?

[Anaxogoras]

Eh, the more I drive tanks, the more I'm convinced that the M4 armor is way overdone.

[Die Hard]

The M4's frontal armor wasn't bad. At 51 mm and well sloped it was better than the T-34's front armor. The Sherman's main problem was its high silhouette and inadequate armament. The VC Firefly remedied the gun problem and became one of the best tank killers of the western front. If the Sherman had got a good gun from the start it would have been remembered as a great tank like the T-34.

[Bronk]

[BigKev03]

I agree there is a fundamental problem somewhere in the random damage generator when you hit a vehicle.  I dont know how many times I have been in a panzer and hit a Wirbelwind or Ostwind from the flank and the round bound off not once but twice or thrice.  Same things goes for a tiger hitting an M4.  I know the angles and range play a part in it but in the case of the M4 in this game either perk it more or change the armor pacakge to represent the true armor of the tank.  Other than the upgraded turret armor it was still pretty good at going up in flames to the 75mm pak40 or 76mm german guns of WWII.  What can be done though as is?  I guess just try to aim better at the weak points on the vehicle and hope they dont range you first.  I am trying to master the art of shooting on the move more now than before.  Shoot, move, communicate with your squad mates or other gv'rs.  But on another point what do we all say about trying to get HT to put the historical gunsights in the tanks??? 

Bigkev