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Offline WWM

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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2008, 01:33:11 PM »
but after 3 years that is getting boring to me.
Just a thought!!!
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2008, 02:02:29 PM »
Firmly agree with Helm and Uptown.  Welded-wing doesn't work in sim as it does in RL, probably due to limited visual perspective as much as anything else.  The alternative, I call Loose-wing, does allow pilots to separate some, but it's not so much specific distance that defines Loose-wing as communication and management of the engagement.

Rule One, as my squadron practices Loose-wing, is CONTINUALLY communicate back and forth with your partner, in very brief calls (using some type of Brevity Code, if you know some).  Each pilots gives a running report of his position, tactical situation, and his intentions, as well as his opponent's movements, and further, what he may see of his partner's engagement and opponent.  Obviously, this requires tremendous SA skill, the briefest radio comments without repetition (it's your partner's responsibility to be paying attention), and supreme coordination between pilots.

Rule Two is always stay in proximity to your partner.  This means when you have the option to do so, turn your fight back towards your partner.  One of the best tactics is one I call "Trade-A-Kill", whereby at some point you get a passing shot at your partner's opponent, or visa versa.  And the number of times I've setup a bandit on my six purposely to allow my partner to pick him has to be approaching 4 digits.  :devil

Rule Three is think ahead of the fight by winning the OODA Loop.  This is too involved to explain here, but it really means practise your coordination and tactics with one wingman extensively, and your ACM decisions during combat will come quickly, easily and accurately, and faster than your opponents.

In yesturday's BoB, during our first escort sortie in 110c's, Bmathis and I held off 3-4 trailing spits from reaching our Reichmarshall's Ju-88's for over 3 sectors by simply coordinating our dives on the highest threat while the other covered against any mousetrap by the other spits.  They never got near him.

On our second sortie, with the addition of Leitwolf, the three of us continually defended two sets of buffs from a squadron of Hurri's and one of Spits (plus a couple stragglers, I think) in repeated attacks.  One buff pilot did lose drones, but all of us made it home.

Hunter tactics while using Loose-wing flying with a partner is, IMO, the most fun you can have in this game.
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2008, 03:45:44 PM »
Sloehand,


We still fly elements and yes it gets out of hand and we do proximity also (sometimes we regroup). The wingmen stay in touch and so do the elements. The objective is to be disciplined and again, not all of us come back with kills. The majority make it back from sortie alive as long as the hard deck is not broken. Some time we do it to porl a base and then go fighter. I disagree that it does not work. It may be different than flying 2 man wingman sorties but mult. wingman is fun. Just started a few moths ago but some enjoy.

Where it works nice is when you have the single enemy above you or sometimes multiple, you almost have to work proximity of even such tactics as thatch weave. Just want to learn more!
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2008, 09:48:48 PM »
lol hes doing something? trying to change things up in the MA, MA don't need to be changed up,MA is pretty much PERFECT the way it is, oh  wait it does need changing, getting rid of players like drdeath, now I'm not talking about how he wants to "help" other players, (although i think that's just a cover for his twitness), there are true AHers that help other players and deserve credit for it,   this player needs to be booted permanently from AH period, over 5 years I've been here I've used the squelch twice both times on this twit.

Really? Seems everyone except the players I know get vox rants from AAdeath. Only time I've ever had a problem with death was something minor, then we somehow became good friends. He helped me out when I had intardnet problems, and a few other times with computer problems.  But hey, opinions are opinions.
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2008, 10:53:50 PM »
Well ..

..RL tactics fluxuated a lot ..determined by view available from the cockpit, pilot skill, and what you want to accomplish.

'Welded Wing' is viable sometimes .. as is the 'Loose Deuce' that is described above.

In AH they are all used at one time or another :)

Not ..ahem ..by me .. a lot .. but .. I see them all the time :)

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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2008, 11:14:46 PM »
ty 1plus have to consider source I guess
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2008, 11:30:18 PM »
I'll do the wingman tactic thing with ya. I'm usually leading the formations, so I cant form up on anyone for jack. (An old friend of mine, smitty93 was amazing at forming up. in a scenario, he stayed glued to me about 50 off my wing and shot off anyone who got up on our six. which happened to be like 3 or 4 people IIRC)
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2008, 11:39:05 PM »
I'll join in with ya, as soon as my computer and other items finally arrive to my place of residence here in Alaska which should be sometime in mid-December.
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2008, 01:25:43 AM »
ty 1plus have to consider source I guess

consider the source?


 :rofl

you have no clue.

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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2008, 05:33:41 AM »
And you can get this same training from a more dedicated, experienced group of trainers who don't go on expletive laden tirades, should you encounter one in the MAs.  :aok
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2008, 06:09:06 AM »
Tactic: (Let your wingman almost get shot down), when the nme's fangs are hanging out and hes setting up his shot, close to 300 and blow him outta the sky.
LOL :aok

nothing any fancier works as often for me...
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Re: WINGMAN TACTICS
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2008, 06:36:02 PM »
I useda go in an get a whole bunch mad at me ..an Subby would come an pick 'em off me.

Was great fun :)

Loved her macro 'GET OFF MY LEG'

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