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Offline FireDragon

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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2008, 06:46:37 PM »
The 110 outperforms the HURRI1 with out question......   The spit1 should out performe the 110 but not as well as the 110 does the hurri..... Im not sure about ultimate dive speed.... I know my wings were creeeking real good behind the 110 and it just kept getting farther away..so determination does not have much to do with it :devil


If you think the spit1 is that bad.. I would be willing to trade you for a slightly damaged hurri1 :devil


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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2008, 04:58:37 AM »
Yeah,... that's your problem, the planes....

 :rofl :rolleyes:

We've done our homework, spent some recreational masochistic time with our planes in the LWA, we know our planes and how to use them to their greatest effectiveness over the spits and hurris (that puffy ack on the other hand... :furious ).

I was escorting Ju-88s all during the first frame in a 109E4 at very high alt .  They (the particualr bomber group my group was assigned to) couldn't of been going faster than 160-170 at cruising altitude, I was matching them with my cruise speed of just over 150 mph at cruising altitude.


 :rolleyes:

I would like the scenario to be as historically accurate as possible hence we need to increase the plane set and have a representative 110.

Note the RAF fly Spits and Hurri's though the Spit is clearly the stronger plane.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2008, 08:20:07 AM »
Welcome to scenarios.  While your ride may not be the best, it's what you've got to work with.  I tell myself that everytime I get in those paper a6m2s or lumbering B5Ns in PTO scenarios.

Trust that the scenario set and objectives are balanced to provide a fair shot at winning to either side.

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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2008, 08:21:16 AM »
Representative 110? The 110C flew in the BOB...

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/battle_of_britain_aircraft.asp

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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2008, 08:26:42 AM »
Representative 110? The 110C flew in the BOB...

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/battle_of_britain_aircraft.asp

What do ya mean?

See above. Our version has been identified as a rare breed.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2008, 09:03:01 AM »
Representative 110? The 110C flew in the BOB...

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/battle_of_britain_aircraft.asp

What do ya mean?

That is a terrible website for aircraft reference.  Wikipedia is more accurate than that.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2008, 09:21:25 AM »
:rolleyes:

I would like the scenario to be as historically accurate as possible hence we need to increase the plane set and have a representative 110.

Note the RAF fly Spits and Hurri's though the Spit is clearly the stronger plane.

Are you sure Spit is the stronger plane??  The only advantage I can see with the Spit is that it climbs better and a wee faster than Hurri.  I've had alot more success in Hurri than Spit.  In flat turn Hurri does better than spit.  It seems spit loses lot of E.  Some of the veteran 109E pilots I've had fights with can actually turn within my Spit, but cannot do that with Hurri.

To me Hurri and Spit should pair up together.  Where Spit can chase down the fast 109E and then have the Hurri finish it up when the fight turns into turning fight

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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2008, 09:26:14 AM »
Are you sure Spit is the stronger plane??  The only advantage I can see with the Spit is that it climbs better and a wee faster than Hurri.  I've had alot more success in Hurri than Spit.  In flat turn Hurri does better than spit.  It seems spit loses lot of E.  Some of the veteran 109E pilots I've had fights with can actually turn within my Spit, but cannot do that with Hurri.

To me Hurri and Spit should pair up together.  Where Spit can chase down the fast 109E and then have the Hurri finish it up when the fight turns into turning fight

Interesting. I always thought the Spit was the preffered ride. I thought it was allot faster.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2008, 09:48:01 AM »
It is faster, too.  But the hurri not only turns better, it rolls much better.  I find it more difficult to fight Hurris than Spits in the 109E because it's much easier to get a guns solution on the Spitfire.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2008, 12:55:13 PM »
See above. Our version has been identified as a rare breed.

I remember that thread as well, but can't find it.

Turned out if correct, it is actually the rarest plane in the whole game by a long way. (20 or so produced)

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Found something -
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,191748.0.html

Not the thread I was looking for though.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2008, 01:07:59 PM »
We all know in this scenario that the bombers are way to fast late models or substitutes but what is with the 110's. Faster than Spits!!! this is nonsense the 110 in the B of B was slightly faster than the Hurri not around 50mph faster than the Spit.

Isnt it time we got the right planes to run this popular scenario which many consider the decisive battle of WW2.

When I look at the speed charts it is only the later model that was faster than a spit. Whoever set this thing up last needs to look at which 110 was made avaialable :furious

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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2008, 01:11:54 PM »
I remember that thread as well, but can't find it.

Turned out if correct, it is actually the rarest plane in the whole game by a long way. (20 or so produced)

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Found something -
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,191748.0.html

Not the thread I was looking for though.

Rarer than the TA152?
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2008, 01:16:54 PM »
Although I do understand the frustration trying to match up planes based on speed charts, I have to say that's not the way we do things.

We use real in game checks to lay out the events.  We spend a great deal of time putting planes in the conditions of the event, and seeing how they actually perform, and then balance accordingly.  Oddly enough, we've ran BoB twice before, both sides have won very close fights, the plane balance is just fine.  Far more goes into an event than matching the speed charts.  Don't look to those as a major contributor to an event, you'll always be disappointed.

I think some people want balance but for me if its an historical event I want for some reason authenticity. It might be hard to get people to fly Heinkels and Dorniers if they are so vulnerable or 110's which I read in practice had to be defended often by 109,s.

Its what I am looking for but maybe it just doesnt make a good game :cry

I would blance the superior planes with superior numbers on the inferior side but make the German planes fly over the uk which they did which meant more of them were always in transit especially the fighters. That is the game I want to play but I susspect that doesnt suit everyone.
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2008, 01:21:04 PM »
Rarer than the TA152?

Yup some 67 TA-152 aircraft delivered to the LW, only 20 of the rare 110-C4B
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Re: Battle Of Britain
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2008, 01:23:25 PM »
Yup some 67 TA-152 aircraft delivered to the LW, only 20 of the rare 110-C4B

Well it should be tweaked back to the more common type obviously and that 5 mph would make a difference I suspect.
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