Please Explain.......

[The Fugitive]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is why do you need specific numbers? Are you planning to have some of your squad switch sides if you can manipulate the ENY hit on your side? Other than curiosity that is the only thing I could think of as to way you are not satisfied with the numbers Murdr gave you.

[Dadsguns]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is why do you need specific numbers? Are you planning to have some of your squad switch sides if you can manipulate the ENY hit on your side? Other than curiosity that is the only thing I could think of as to way you are not satisfied with the numbers Murdr gave you.

I think what I am asking is a reasonable question. 

If your suspicious about my question, that's a personal matter.

[Murdr]

If a countries %total is more than 10 points higher than the smallest countries %total, ENY kicks in.  It's the difference in percentage points, not the raw percentages themselves.  Any hypothetical can be figured out by reading my graph.

[Dadsguns]

If a countries %total is more than 10 points higher than the smallest countries %total, ENY kicks in. 

What would be the eny assigned for each percentage as the points increased?
Is the eny assigned variable, or fixed per each %total?

[BaldEagl]

Type these numbers onto a spreadsheet in this order beginning in cell A1 and ending in cell H1:

8   43   69   85   0   3.7   8.4   13.5

Then type this formula:

=TREND(A1:D1,E1:H1,29)

This will give you the % difference between the subject country and the lowest populated country at ENY 29.  You can replace the number 29 in the formula with any other number that you want the approximate percent difference on for that ENY.

If you reverse the formula to:

=TREND(E1:H1,A1:D1,100)

You can now approximate the ENY at any percentage difference by changing the number 100 to any percent difference you want.

You can also graph this which will give you all the information you are looking for.

Hope this helps.

Trend analysis is your friend.

[TequilaChaser]

Lusche,
Contrary to your opinion, absolute values is exactly what people are basing their opinions of eny from since this is what they know and see, this is to clarify not only to myself, but to those that do not know specifically how it works.  Most people will look at 77 more people on a side would indeed have more of an advantage in a game than 33 more, no matter what the percentage works out to be. 
So, please keep opinions out of it, and lets keep to the facts of what this discussion is all about. Just ENY.

I understand that this thread was started elsewhere and moved here.  However this is the Help and Training board.  This is the only public board on the entire forum where by default, a post by a Trainer should always be assumed to be as in an official capacity as a Trainer.  Unlike gameplay, tacticts, or "style" topics, game mechanics are a known quantity.    Game mechanics are what they are, and the Trainers put a lot of effort into staying up to date on the many game mechanic systems in AH.  I'd appreciate you not suggesting how Trainers should reply on a topic in H&T when you were the one asking for the information to begin with.

Your correct, I have asked for just that, information. Nothing more.

Thank you for being informative and clear with your explanation of this subject without getting off topic.
  
So, up to this point many of us should have a better understanding of how it works, the only questions that remains is how does the scale progress for each percentage up to the max of 29 eny.

I'm sure there is a scale although I don't know what it is.  I suspect it is not linear but rather based on a curve looking at the example I posted above.

I'm sure someone smarter than me could calculate the curve based off of these numbers:

8% larger = no ENY
43% larger = 3.7 ENY
69% larger = 8.4 ENY
85% larger = 13.8 ENY

EDIT: I see your graph below.

The increase in eny increments of percent/players are not clear, however I do understand the concept. 
My question specifically would be as shown above.  What values would corresponde with percentages as the scale increased?

YOU STILL OWE Lusche and others an Apology, Dadsguns, for your ill thwarted reply, when everyone was offering you help.......

the lasted quoted reply above, is not an apology........if you do not see a reason for you needing to apologize, then you should not have any reason to expect help from anyone / everyone when you need an answer

[Murdr]

I don't think that data string is the way to go, and one data point is off.  Will explain when I have keyboard.

[BaldEagl]

I don't think that data string is the way to go, and one data point is off.  Will explain when I have keyboard.

I was just working with the data from the screen shots he posted.

[Dadsguns]

Just a few more questions.

Q> My question was specifically what value of eny would corresponded with player percentages as the scale increased?

A> This obviousley is not a fixed scale, correct? the values are indeed fixed but slides according to percentages?
 % larger = no ENY
43% larger = 3.7 ENY
69% larger = 8.4 ENY
85% larger = 13.8 ENY



When looking at the these two different examples, Where does the 28.5% and the 22.0% derive from, and how does it represent the low number side? 
 
Example 1. Bishops   178   127        0        28.5%    0.0
               Knights   192   139        0        30.7%     0.0 = 8% larger than Bish
               Rooks     255    185       0        40.8%     3.7 = 43% larger than Bish

Example 2. Bishops   72     44         0        40.7%    13.8 = 85% larger than Knights
               Knights   39      31        0        22.0%     0.0
               Rooks     66      49         0        37.3%     8.4 = 69% larger than Knights

[McDeath]

I have been here for years and am curious to know (I did not play in the warbirds years) what does the acronym stand for?

It cannot be Everyone Needs Yaks
Thanks

[dtango]

Just a few more questions.

When looking at the these two different examples, Where does the 28.5% and the 22.0% derive from, and how does it represent the low number side? 
 
Example 1. Bishops   178   127        0        28.5%    0.0
               Knights   192   139        0        30.7%     0.0 = 8% larger than Bish
               Rooks     255    185       0        40.8%     3.7 = 43% larger than Bish

Example 2. Bishops   72     44         0        40.7%    13.8 = 85% larger than Knights
               Knights   39      31        0        22.0%     0.0
               Rooks     66      49         0        37.3%     8.4 = 69% larger than Knights

28.5 and 22.0 represent the % of the total number of players.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[Motherland]

When looking at the these two different examples, Where does the 28.5% and the 22.0% derive from, and how does it represent the low number side? 
 
Example 1. Bishops   178   127        0        28.5%    0.0
               Knights   192   139        0        30.7%     0.0 = 8% larger than Bish
               Rooks     255    185       0        40.8%     3.7 = 43% larger than Bish

Example 2. Bishops   72     44         0        40.7%    13.8 = 85% larger than Knights
               Knights   39      31        0        22.0%     0.0
               Rooks     66      49         0        37.3%     8.4 = 69% larger than Knights

28.5% and 22% are the amount of the arena population that that country makes up.

[Murdr]

Just a few more questions.

Q> My question was specifically what value of eny would corresponded with player percentages as the scale increased?

A> This obviousley is not a fixed scale, correct? the values are indeed fixed but slides according to percentages?
 % larger = no ENY
43% larger = 3.7 ENY
69% larger = 8.4 ENY
85% larger = 13.8 ENY



When looking at the these two different examples, Where does the 28.5% and the 22.0% derive from, and how does it represent the low number side? 
 
Example 1. Bishops   178   127        0        28.5%    0.0
               Knights   192   139        0        30.7%     0.0 = 8% larger than Bish
               Rooks     255    185       0        40.8%     3.7 = 43% larger than Bish

Example 2. Bishops   72     44         0        40.7%    13.8 = 85% larger than Knights
               Knights   39      31        0        22.0%     0.0
               Rooks     66      49         0        37.3%     8.4 = 69% larger than Knights

Let's get rid of all the stuff in red.  It is making this much more difficult than it should really be.

Americans have spent untold months being saturated with polls and election news.  When you deal with poll percentages you don't need a calculator to read the results.
Popular vote - 50 states reporting
Candidates % Votes
 
McCain (R) 46% 56,743,121
Obama (D) 52% 64,427,144
Barr (I) 0% 492,418
Nader (I) 1% 664,470
We can look at the above data and say that Obama beat McCain by 6 points in the popular vote.

We have a poll result in this screenshot...


Bishops   72     44         0        40.7%    13.8 =Bishops have an 18.7% point roster lead over Knights
Knights   39      31        0        22.0%     0.0
Rooks     66      49         0        37.3%     8.4 =Rooks have a 15.3% point roster lead over Knights

I took both of your screen shots and plotted the three data points of (ENY Limit to % point lead) on that basis.  Then I extended the line to the 0 and 29 ENY limit data points...


At a 10% point lead the ENY limit is zero.
For every 1% point over 10, the ENY Limt raises by about 1.59  (If some of you guys who like doing spreadsheets want to narrow the value down further, have at it)

[Murdr]

I have been here for years and am curious to know (I did not play in the warbirds years) what does the acronym stand for?

Thanks for the question, because I wanted to clearify the terms here also.

ENY is a varible HTC assigns to each plane and vehicle.  It exists as a component for determining perk points awarded for a kill.  It is short for vs ENemY

OBJ is also a varible assigned to planes and vehicles.  It exists as a component for determining perk points awarded for destroying objects.  It is short for vs OBJects

Country Balancer is the topic of this discussion.  It exists to apply a penalty to countries who's roster advantage will have an unbalancing effect on arena gameplay as determined by HTC.  It does this by limiting available planes and vehicles based on their ENY value.

[Dadsguns]

Very nice Murdr.

How is 28.5 factored, this may be where my numbers are not matching,,,,
 
Example 1. Bishops   178   127        0        28.5%    0.0
               Knights   192   139        0        30.7%     0.0
               Rooks     255    185       0        40.8%     3.7

"28.5 represent the % of the total number of players"      What column of numbers are you using to get the total to equal the 28.5%?