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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2008, 04:24:14 PM »
Wiki Erhard Milch.   Where do you think Speer "looked"?    Milch was the absolute backbone of the War Machine, but Hitler needed his hands in too many pies.   

I know who he is. He is one of the "experts" I referred to that Speer brought in. Speer was ruthless in rooting out hacks and bureaucrats from important positions in the war economy. Instead he relied heavily on weapons experts and other highly qualified individuals. To the end Speer fought for this type of leadership in the war economy and amassed himself considerable power over all aspect of German Industrial production. Hitler would sign Speer's requests without even reading them.

Thats how Speer was able to do the end around with Hitlers scorched earth orders. At least partially.
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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2008, 05:06:23 PM »
I know who he is. He is one of the "experts" I referred to that Speer brought in. Speer was ruthless in rooting out hacks and bureaucrats from important positions in the war economy. Instead he relied heavily on weapons experts and other highly qualified individuals.

Milch was definitely not one of the experts appointed by Speer.  Milch who was the former head of Luftansa was appointed to lead the RLM in the early 1930’s.  Goering eventually usurped Milch’s power with Ernst Udet.  In 1939 Udet was given the responsibility for aircraft development and production in the RLM.  However Udet eventually committed suicide in 1941 and Milch regained his leadership in the RLM.
 
Milch, and German Aircraft Production Efficiency
Speers has been popularly credited with the "armaments miracle" in Germany including the increase in aircraft production despite the Combined Bomber Offensive.  Upon inspection this is a very inaccurate view of what happened.

Speers claimed that the aircraft production was inefficient until he and his Reich Armament Ministry were able to get control of it from Milch and the Reich Air Ministry (RLM).  This is false.

It was Milch who was responsible for driving efficiencies in German aircraft production.  This was primarily in response to the threatening strategic problem of the coming air war against the West.  Roosevelt’s call in May 1940 for the US to produce 3,000 aircraft per month and reaching a production level of 50,000 per year shocked the RLM.  Though the US was not at war with Germany yet, this air power could be leveraged by the UK.  In the autumn of 1940 the RLM along with concerned German industrialists embarked on various schemes to increase the production of aircraft to counter the threat.

This threat only increased as time progressed with Western aircraft production becoming reality.  Milch and the RLM responded throughout the course of the war changing the RLM production program to continually increase production time and again.  The following table summarizes the RLM production plan summary for single engine fighters.



As can be seen the RLM changed its single engine fighter production program multiple times throughout the course of the war.  Just from March 1941 (Program 19) to December 1943 (Program 225/1) it planned for fighter production from a peak of 400 per month to nearly 3000 per month.  This was planned all before the Jagerstab (Fighter Staff) was formed in Feb 1944 nominally headed by Speer to oversee fighter production.

To meet these planned production increases Milch took action.  In May 1941 he created the Industrierat, the industrial council of the Air Mininstry.  Milch placed William Werner, an efficiency expert from the auto-industry into BMW to supervise engine development after BMW suffered a series of disasters.  Heinrich Koppenberg, Willy Messerschmitt, and Ernst Heinkel were all removed from managerial control of Junkers, Messerschmitt and Heinkel through various means.  Thus the RLM gained direct control of the aircraft industry.

Milch also created the system of manufacturing rings to optimize aircraft manufacturing efficiency.  The rings organized airframe, aero-engines, and aircraft equipment manufacturing under various managers (Frydag, Werner, and Heyne) with the objective of adopting more mass production practices and reducing waste.  Frydag, Werner, and Heyne were all experts in their respective fields in mass production including time spent with Chrysler and General Electric.

With these instruments of rationalization of the aircraft industry in place, Milch could also focus the aircraft production on a few models to enable mass assembly and increase production output.  For instance the Luftwaffe air staff was horrified by Milch plans to increase the production of the He-111 which they considered an outdated aircraft.  Also the RLM dropped the Me-210 program and chose to focus on mass producing the Bf-109 instead.  These were all expedients to increase production sacrificing quality for quantity.

Milch’s efforts to rationalize the German aircraft industry bore fruit.  Between early 1942 to 1943 aircraft production more than doubled from 1,000 to 2,000 aircraft per month.  Comparing single engine fighter production between Feb 1942 and Feb 1943 monthly output jumped from 273 to 725 fighters per month.  And unlike the rest of the German armaments industry this was done with only a small increase in labor and no increase in raw material allocation, a real indication of production efficiency.

This however still doesn’t explain the increase in German fighter production under the USAAF and RAF Combined Bomber Offensive in 1944.  I’ll explore this topic in a subsequent post.

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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 07:01:47 PM »
Tango's post is excellent, but it does invite a comparison for reference.

In March of 1945, Grumman rolled out 605 F6F-5s from a single production line (the F7F was in production too). This was the Allied record for a single type produced in a single factory. It's quite probable that it is the single greatest monthly delivery of a single type from one factory regardless of nation. That's 1.2 fighters per hour (over two 8 hour shifts). Grumman was, per employee, the most productive aircraft manufacturer in the U.S. during the war.

Lean manufacturing gurus still study Grumman's methods and often point to their production methods as being shining examples of maximum yield from available resources.

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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2008, 05:58:26 AM »
Cottage Industry taken to a whole new level.

Also bombing back then was a very inexact science.
It is said that 9 out of 10 bombs dropped landed 1/2 mile or more from their intended target.
Especially so early in the war.




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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2008, 06:36:08 AM »
Considering that USAAF bomber formations, depending on which year, could be from ~1000 to ~2000' across. No precision bombing their.

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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2008, 03:57:54 PM »
Also as a point of comparison, the US alone turned out 9,000 aircraft in March 1944.
The German's faced bigger problems in finding qualified pilots and fuel rather than production of airframes.

Regarding delivery of aircraft to their operational bases, the Germans used a little bit of everything. By late in the war, some aircraft were being shipped by horse-drawn wagons.

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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2008, 04:11:00 PM »
Milch was definitely not one of the experts appointed by Speer.  Milch who was the former head of Luftansa was appointed to lead the RLM in the early 1930’s.  Goering eventually usurped Milch’s power with Ernst Udet.  In 1939 Udet was given the responsibility for aircraft development and production in the RLM.  However Udet eventually committed suicide in 1941 and Milch regained his leadership in the RLM.
 
Milch, and German Aircraft Production Efficiency
Speers has been popularly credited with the "armaments miracle" in Germany including the increase in aircraft production despite the Combined Bomber Offensive.  Upon inspection this is a very inaccurate view of what happened.

Speers claimed that the aircraft production was inefficient until he and his Reich Armament Ministry were able to get control of it from Milch and the Reich Air Ministry (RLM).  This is false.

It was Milch who was responsible for driving efficiencies in German aircraft production.  This was primarily in response to the threatening strategic problem of the coming air war against the West.  Roosevelt’s call in May 1940 for the US to produce 3,000 aircraft per month and reaching a production level of 50,000 per year shocked the RLM.  Though the US was not at war with Germany yet, this air power could be leveraged by the UK.  In the autumn of 1940 the RLM along with concerned German industrialists embarked on various schemes to increase the production of aircraft to counter the threat.

This threat only increased as time progressed with Western aircraft production becoming reality.  Milch and the RLM responded throughout the course of the war changing the RLM production program to continually increase production time and again.  The following table summarizes the RLM production plan summary for single engine fighters.

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As can be seen the RLM changed its single engine fighter production program multiple times throughout the course of the war.  Just from March 1941 (Program 19) to December 1943 (Program 225/1) it planned for fighter production from a peak of 400 per month to nearly 3000 per month.  This was planned all before the Jagerstab (Fighter Staff) was formed in Feb 1944 nominally headed by Speer to oversee fighter production.

To meet these planned production increases Milch took action.  In May 1941 he created the Industrierat, the industrial council of the Air Mininstry.  Milch placed William Werner, an efficiency expert from the auto-industry into BMW to supervise engine development after BMW suffered a series of disasters.  Heinrich Koppenberg, Willy Messerschmitt, and Ernst Heinkel were all removed from managerial control of Junkers, Messerschmitt and Heinkel through various means.  Thus the RLM gained direct control of the aircraft industry.

Milch also created the system of manufacturing rings to optimize aircraft manufacturing efficiency.  The rings organized airframe, aero-engines, and aircraft equipment manufacturing under various managers (Frydag, Werner, and Heyne) with the objective of adopting more mass production practices and reducing waste.  Frydag, Werner, and Heyne were all experts in their respective fields in mass production including time spent with Chrysler and General Electric.

With these instruments of rationalization of the aircraft industry in place, Milch could also focus the aircraft production on a few models to enable mass assembly and increase production output.  For instance the Luftwaffe air staff was horrified by Milch plans to increase the production of the He-111 which they considered an outdated aircraft.  Also the RLM dropped the Me-210 program and chose to focus on mass producing the Bf-109 instead.  These were all expedients to increase production sacrificing quality for quantity.

Milch’s efforts to rationalize the German aircraft industry bore fruit.  Between early 1942 to 1943 aircraft production more than doubled from 1,000 to 2,000 aircraft per month.  Comparing single engine fighter production between Feb 1942 and Feb 1943 monthly output jumped from 273 to 725 fighters per month.  And unlike the rest of the German armaments industry this was done with only a small increase in labor and no increase in raw material allocation, a real indication of production efficiency.

This however still doesn’t explain the increase in German fighter production under the USAAF and RAF Combined Bomber Offensive in 1944.  I’ll explore this topic in a subsequent post.

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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2008, 04:45:01 PM »
Actually its true that Speer didn't appoint Milch but something happened to him, he was sacked or something, and he ended up getting his career saved by Speer, "I forget the details". It was typical of Speer however that he would recognize such talent.

I said Speer was the driving force behind all of German war production. He was the guy in charge who appointed the people to run the different industries, and he was the one who set Policy. The original question I first answered went beyond just aircraft production. Or at least I thought it did. Obviously Speer wasn't himself directly responsible for the aircraft quotas reached.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2008, 04:47:15 PM »
Actually its true that Speer didn't appoint Milch but something happened to him, he was sacked or something, and he ended up getting his career saved by Speer, "I forget the details". It was typical of Speer however that he would recognize such talent.

I said Speer was the driving force behind all of German war production. He was the guy in charge who appointed the people to run the different industries, and he was the one who set Policy. The original question I first answered went beyond just aircraft production. Or at least I thought it did. Obviously Speer wasn't himself directly responsible for the aircraft quotas reached.

All Speer did, was get credit for Milch's work.   
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2008, 05:25:16 AM »
All Speer did, was get credit for Milch's work.   

Speer got credit for a lot more then aircraft production.
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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2008, 02:58:54 PM »
The following is a chart summarizing the previously presented tabular data of German single-engine fighter production vs. planned production programs.  Faced with the overwhelming numbers of aircraft produced by the US and the UK, Milch and the RLM sought to counter by increasing German aircraft production.  As a result peak production increased by 50% from 1941 to 1942, and doubled from 1942 to 1943.  Peak monthly single engine fighter production rose to a high of 1,000 aircraft per month.

 

The combined bomber offensive in summer and autumn of 1943 blunted this production resulting in a decline of monthly output mid-year to a low point of 560 fighters per month in December.  However In 1944 fighter production recovered dramatically peaking at 3,031 fighters a month in September.  The question is how did the Reich achieve this while under the punishing bomber offensive that resumed in 1944?

There are several major reasons for the startling increase in fighter production throughout 1944: the rationalization of the aircraft industry and increases in planned production prior to 1944, dispersion of aircraft production factories, re-allocation of key raw materials and resources, and the increase in labor and productivity.


Aircraft Industry Rationalization & Planning
As we’ve seen Milch and the RLM rationalized the German aircraft industry in an effort to bolster production.  As a result fighter production Increased production from 1941 to 1943.  But Milch didn’t intend to level off production at just the peak 1943 levels.  The RLM also planned for continued increases in aircraft production well into 1944. 

The RLM production program change in Aug 1943 (Program 223/1) called for fighter output of 1,646 fighters starting in Jan 44 and peaking at 3,418 in Dec 44.  This is an important point.  The minimum time for manufacturing an aircraft from raw material to finished product was 6 months which meant materials and labor had to be planned for and acquired at least 6 months in advance of projected productions.  The materials and labor were already in the pipeline in late 1943 to produce the necessary fighter output for 1944.  The RLM had already put the machinery in motion for a dramatic increase in fighters in 1943, well ahead of when Speer and the Jagerstab took charge in March 1944.  Thanks to prior planning the German fighter production in 1944 took advantage of the capacity already laid in place in preparation.


Dispersion of Aircraft Manufacturing
Though the machinery was set in place for increased fighter production, the Allied Combined Bomber Offensive in the summer and fall of 1943 greatly reduced fighter production in the 2nd half of 1943.  The RLM rationalization programs resulted in the physical concentration of aircraft manufacturing facilities which left it vulnerable to air attack.  The Allies certainly took notice and targeted it to good effect though the RAF and USAAF also paid dearly in bombers and crews lost in the effort.

The Germans also took notice as well.  RLM production Program 223/1 increase in Aug 15, 1943 was in partial response to massive air threat that the Reich faced as the RAF and USAAF aimed at crippling the German industry.  Dramatic increases in numbers of fighters were needed to counter the Allied threat.  Besides increasing fighter output the RLM also planned for the dispersion of the aircraft industry to reduce the vulnerability to Allied air attack.  The plan called for the dispersion of the main 27 aircraft plants to 729 smaller plants.  By then end of 1944 the actual number of plants moved to was about 300.  Similarly the aero-engine industry was dispersed from 51 plants to 249 locations.

Some novel concepts of dispersion also included the use of underground facilities.  The Mittelwerke facility, the Daimler-Benz’s Goldfischewerke near Heidelburg, and the Junkers plant at Tarthun near Magdeburg were examples of these facilities.  Plants were also dispersed and moved to forests in an attempt to hide them though they were built and mainly available only in the last months of the war.


Speer, Raw Material Allocation, and the Jagerstab
Dispersion of aircraft manufacturing plants reduced vulnerability to attack in 1944, but these factories could not have produced the dramatic increase in fighter output in 1944 without the input of key raw materials.  The war continually placed increasing strain on the German economy.  To manage the strain throughout the war the German economy was increasingly rationalized overtime until it was centrally directed by a smaller and smaller group of people organized under Albert Speer.  Speer became the Armaments Minister in 1942 after Fritz Todt died in an airplane accident.  Speer developed increasing control of the basics of supply and production in Germany, namely the allocation of labor and raw materials. 

The German war economy operated under the same principles that exist today, namely production is a function of capital, labor, and raw materials.  The following chart compares German ammunition production to the steel allocated for ammunition production demonstrating how ammunition output correlated to the amount of steel allocated for production of ammunition.



Speer’s control of Germany’s raw material allocation was a major factor in his “armaments miracle”.  What Speer accomplished with the rationalization of the steel industry typifies the methods he used to affect armaments production.  In 1942 Speer effectively averted a crisis in the availability of steel.  In early 1942 the realization that Germany needed to mobilize the economy for a long war resulted in major increases needed in armaments production.  These drastic changes created major havoc in the availability of steel to meet the new demands.  The drastic increase in steel demand created chaos in the supply chain.  Arms producers were given even more entitlements to steel than there was actual supply.  Steel producers provided steel to various arms producers without a coherent view of what programs were priority for the Reich.

Something had to be done.  Speer formed the Reichsvereiningung Eisen (RVE) to tackle the problems of insufficient steel production and incoherent steel allocation.  Through the RVE all steel allocations were to be based on 90% of steel production with a 10% left to be diverted to priority contracts.  Steel allocation was redistributed.  Allocation for non-armaments was cut by more than a quarter to the consternation of the civilian economic administration.  Moreover associated industries and labor were also harnessed under the Armaments Ministry.

Further changes in steel allocation were coming as Speer focused attention onto tank production.  Increases in tank production had already been planned in 1941 for.  In 1942 the target was further increased calling for 600 Panthers, 50 Tigers, 150 light tanks, and 600 assault guns and self-propelled artillery per month by early 1944.  After Stalingrad Hitler doubled this figure.  It was through the leverage of the RVE that Speer was able to announce the infamous Adolf Hitler Panzer Programme in Jan 1943.  To meet the demand Speer created the Panzer Programme and used the RVE and his increased powers to prioritize steel allocation to Tanks.  Thus was born the concept of “Panzer priority” with steel allocations prioritized for contracts so labeled.  Tank production received priority on steel allocation over other parts of the war economy.  Even the Luftwaffe resorted to applying “Panzer priority” to aircraft production to circumvent issues with aero-engine crankshaft deliveries in competition with tank manufacturing.

At the beginning of 1944 desperately needing more fighters to combat the Allied air offensive. Under these circumstances and facing ever increasing aircraft production difficulties Milch swallowed his pride and threw in the Air Ministry’s lot with Speer and the Armaments Ministry.  The Jagerstab (Fighter Staff), was formed.  From February 1944 the aircraft industry also became benefactors of Speer and the Armaments Ministry’s powers of prioritization in raw materials, labor, food, and transport capacity.  This unfettered allocation of these resources allowed fighter production to continue to increase throughout 1944.  For instance aluminum allocation to the aircraft industry was 45% in 1939 and ramped up to 60% in 1944.  Thus Speer was a factor and contributed to the rising fighter production in 1944.  Of course the Speer legacy paints a very different account of the contribution.  However in a rare moment Speer admitted in an interview in June 1944 stating “I have to add…that here an alteration in the system has taken place on the quiet, in that from February we have, as we have done in the other industries, brought in capacities from the armour and Panzer industries into the aircraft industry.  This is the reason, in my opinion, for the speedy recovery.”  As Adam Tooze states, “…it was Speer’s jealously guarded control over key resources and his ability to confer “Panzer priority” that was the truly decisive factor.”
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Re: Production times for Aircraft in WW2
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2008, 03:01:24 PM »

Increase In Labor and Productivity
As we have seen that the rationalization of the aircraft industry and RLM program changes laid the foundation for production increases, the dispersion of aircraft manufacturing plants reduced the destruction of production capability under bombing, and the re-allocation of raw materials fed the increases in fighter production in 1944.  But it took manpower to actually produce aircraft.  And in 1944 an increase in manpower and productivity also played a key factor in the rebound of German fighter production. 

The following chart demonstrates the correlation between Germany’s arms production and the application of labor.  As is demonstrated by the data there is a general correlation between the amount of labor applied and the amount of total armaments produced including aircraft.  Labor is obviously an important factor in armaments production.



Here is data collected from two different sources on aircraft manufacturing manpower.  Both indicate that between 1943 and 1944 the aircraft industry increased by roughly 100,000 workers, a significant jump in labor.  According to data from the USSBS there is an increase of 23%.



Not only was manpower increased, but the work hours were increased as well.  For the majority of the war the German war economy remained at basically one shift.  However by the Spring of 1944 a 72-hour work week was instituted across the majority of the aircraft industry.

The increase in labor and productivity deserves some examination. So far our discussion of the German war economy has remained innocuous centering on rationalization of industries, fundamental economic concepts, and ministrial intrigues.  However in exploring the question of German labor mobilization we will come face to face with the sinister realities of the German war economy which deserves retelling.  I will address this in a follow up post.


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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2008, 05:40:44 AM »
Good stuff dtango. :aok Thanks for taking the time and effort.

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2008, 08:14:31 AM »
Speer got credit for a lot more then aircraft production.

I have to agree there. Milch layed the ground work and was pivotal in keeping fighter production up. Speer kept fighter production and the economy going through the bombs.

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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2008, 01:16:20 PM »
Actually Milch caught some heat over the air war in the east. If I remember my history correctly he was even sacked, " tho maybe I'm wrong". Frankly he needed allies in '44 if he was going to keep his say in the Luftwaffe and in production. The alliance with Speer was a natural to happen. And Speer? Speer just plain recognized talent. Both were remarkable men. And both flourished in a bureaucracy that was rife with its mean little Politics and infighting.

Course it didn't hurt that Hitler himself had publicly stated he would sign anything coming from Speer without even reading the request. And later generations of Germans should understand that it was Speer that helped grantee the post war German economic miracle by blocking Hitlers moronic self destruction orders for the German economy. But I digress, and probably overlook his involvement in war crimes. Of which he was guilty as sin. But none of this has any place in the discussion.

Im going from memory here and am to busy watching football to research. Do feel free to correct me. :salute
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