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Offline Motherland

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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 06:53:45 PM »
Couldn't the Me262 be run on relatively crude, unrefined fuels?
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2008, 06:55:34 PM »
Quote from: LLogann on December 11, 2008, 05:05:49 PM
Are you asking a trick question?  Think service ceiling................  :salute

B-29 had a service ceiling of 33,600 feet. Me 262A-1a had a service ceiling of 37,565 ft.  :salute
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2008, 06:58:17 PM »
Quote from: Motherland on December 11, 2008, 06:53:45 PM
Couldn't the Me262 be run on relatively crude, unrefined fuels?

It flew on diesel and kerosene. It could run on basically any fuel with the same properties (heating oil, paraffin etc.).
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Quote from: Motherland on December 11, 2008, 06:53:45 PM
Couldn't the Me262 be run on relatively crude, unrefined fuels?
I think I saw that, I think here or here..
nm, see above..
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2008, 08:25:07 PM »
You've never had a 262 above 25k have you?  Acts like an old lady.  However the SF excelled at higher alt.

Quote from: Die Hard on December 11, 2008, 06:55:34 PM
B-29 had a service ceiling of 33,600 feet. Me 262A-1a had a service ceiling of 37,565 ft.  :salute
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 06:45:45 AM »
Quote from: LLogann on December 13, 2008, 08:25:07 PM
You've never had a 262 above 25k have you?  Acts like an old lady.  However the SF excelled at higher alt.


And I suppose you have flown a 262 ... a real one?  :lol


Most B-29 missions in WWII were flown at an altitude of 20,000 - 25,000 feet. At 30,000 feet the B-29 had a top speed of 349 mph with a war load. At the same altitude the Me 262 could fly at 520 mph and was capable of 15,000 foot zoom climbs. To assume that the B-29 would have been any less of a sitting duck than the other WWII bombers that fought the 262 is naiveté of the worst sort.
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2008, 03:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Die Hard on December 11, 2008, 06:58:17 PM
It flew on diesel and kerosene. It could run on basically any fuel with the same properties (heating oil, paraffin etc.).

Try out diesel at 30.000 feet  :devil
(I wonder if you see the problem)
Anyway, useless if there isn't any ...
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2008, 09:42:43 PM »
That's what the kerosene is for. Most modern Jet fuels are kerosene based.
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2008, 03:04:32 AM »
Kerosene, yes.
I wonder what the Brits used anyway. Different jet engines.
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2008, 03:07:33 AM »
Most jet fuels are kerosene based.
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Re: 262 Perk of a Perk option
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2008, 05:26:14 AM »
Quote from: Die Hard on December 14, 2008, 06:45:45 AM
And I suppose you have flown a 262 ... a real one?  :lol


Most B-29 missions in WWII were flown at an altitude of 20,000 - 25,000 feet. At 30,000 feet the B-29 had a top speed of 349 mph with a war load. At the same altitude the Me 262 could fly at 520 mph and was capable of 15,000 foot zoom climbs. To assume that the B-29 would have been any less of a sitting duck than the other WWII bombers that fought the 262 is naiveté of the worst sort.
15kft zooms? And the 262's level speed tapers off real quick after 25kft.
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