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Offline SKYGUNS

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Props over the ocean
« on: November 14, 2008, 01:36:33 AM »
How risky and dangerous for your modern day prop (not a jet) plane to fly long distance over the ocean, continent to continent with a single engine or twin aircraft?


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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 04:59:08 AM »
Dangerous enough but like anything a managed risk. A lot of light aircraft are ferried over to Europe all year round. They often pass through Ireland. I can only remember one accident a few years ago when a light single went down in the Atlantic just short of Shannon airport.

Aircraft engines are really reliable, and it is often said that the engine doesn't know it's over the sea. The variable weather is a big issue though.

It is something I have often thought I'd like to try, maybe not so much since I acquired two kids.  :lol I have flown a light single over the sea. The Irish sea and the English channel. When you are out of gliding distance of land and you see the rough grey ocean below you. Your mind does begin to hear things with the engine. The 'auto-rough' syndrome. Try imagining that for hour after hour over the ocean. I flew with one pilot in a Cessna 172 back across the sea on a gloomy winter day, quite low because of the cloud. I quickly noticed his knee was shaking as he checked and re-checked the temperature and pressures and the mixture and the RPM gauge.  :rofl :noid

I remember once been woken in my room in the Loftleidir hotel in Reykjavik, Iceland by the sound of a light single being run up on the adjacent airport. It was a Cirrus, obviously on a ferry flight. I must say I didn't envy that pilot. It was still dark, about minus 5 celsius with snow on the ground. When I thought about his onward flight from Iceland, probably through Scotland and onward. I just shivered at the idea and went back to bed. He had already crossed part of the Atlantic but there was more to come. I much preferred the cosy 757 that brought me there.

I do think that the biggest risk is the weather, the engines are reliable, the navigation systems are almost faultless, but you can't control the weather. The risk of flying into something nasty is always there.

I think a lot of Cirrus's bound for Europe fly the Atlantic. I haven't heard of one go down yet.

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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 05:33:46 AM »
One of my good customers ferries aircraft all over the world.  In over 20 years of doing it, only one person has ever gone down in his compnay.  It was him and he was picked up within 4 hours.  When he ferries aircraft, they always fly in pairs.  That way there is someone to send out a distress call.  Would actually like to do it once, if I could find the oppotunity.  They usually are flying twins and Cessna Caravans.
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Re: Props over the ocean
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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 09:54:54 AM »
"Risk" is always relative. To give you an idea, I often fly at night between Salt Lake and Denver in a twin turbo prop.

Sounds safe enought, except that my single engine altitude that"ll be able to maintain is 12,500ft which is lower than the mountain range. So, in my Metroliner, I prefer to fly 2000 miles accross the ocean, than flying at night above the Rockies. :D
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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 10:44:59 AM »
Straffo I think they meant the Cirrus powered aircraft
http://universalpilottraining.com/Cirrus%20SR-22.jpg

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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2008, 02:50:35 PM »
Been in quite a few Chinooks and Pumas over the sea in my time, Worst two I can think of was over the North sea near the Shetland Islands at night in a Wokka (Chinook), wind, rain the lot, crew leave the back ramp at 90 degrees and the door at the back blocked with thick canvas straps, couldn't really hear the water below due to the Engines, but you sure could see it...
Other time was in a Fat Albert (C130) over South Georgia on the way back to the Falkland  Islands, Icebergs  floating around, went over the South Sandwhich Islands that day too and the thought of going down was nerve racking when I thought about it if I'm being honest.
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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2008, 12:05:28 AM »
  Great post cpxxx

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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2008, 03:16:36 AM »
They must tow those gliders pretty high to get them over  the atlantic :)
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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2008, 10:45:11 AM »
Ah the Cirrus glider, at least you don't have to worry about the engine failing :rofl

Itunes that must have been fun hurtling around in Pumas and Hercs over the sea. I don't care how many engines you have. Flying over the sea does make you think! Naval aviators must all be optimists.

I'd still like to try ferry flying over the Atlantic, it's the romantic in me, brought up with the likes Lindbergh, Alcock and Brown and Baron Von Huenefeld, Comdt J C Fitzmaurice, Capt Herman Kohl in the Bremen. Not to mention 'Wrong way' Corrigan, who I actually met. One of my many 'aspirations' is to fly a PBY Catalina around the world. :aok



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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2008, 01:05:36 PM »
Hey CP, has an amazing view of some of those south sanwidch islands, Imagine sitting onb the ramp at the back of the chinook tied by a thick canvas strap, next thing the loadmaster pushes the ramp down and you end up suspended in mid air by the strap! Was fun at the time but there's no way I'd have fancied my chances in that water.
There was a unit known at the time as the "Commanches" they looked after the North sea rigs, heard stories of them boys coming in low over the water and then slamming down on the rigs, imagine being real low over the north sea doing that? No way lol
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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2008, 02:38:39 PM »
Straffo I think they meant the Cirrus powered aircraft
http://universalpilottraining.com/Cirrus%20SR-22.jpg


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Re: Props over the ocean
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2008, 04:05:19 PM »
Box it and ship it.