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Offline mensa180

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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2008, 03:14:57 PM »
Well, that's your opinion.  Personally, I like it when my opponents make it a challenge to shoot them down.  Using AAA to your advantage is good combat tactics in an Il-2, and sometimes in a fighter, too.  Sure, I say "ack-hugger" sometimes when I see someone do it, but I would get bored quickly if every opponent gave me an easy shoot down when I arrive with an advantage over their own airbase, or if I make a mistake and don't shoot them down as quickly as I should (they run to AAA).  If you don't like dealing with AAA, don't try to shoot people down over their own airbase.  It's pretty simple.  So, no, I don't see any shame in it.

Yeah, I enjoy it when they make it a challenge for me to shoot them down as well... when they fight back.   Sorry, it's not hovering over someones base trying to kill them when they run for a sector back to that base.  I strongly dislike those who run in a combat game.

edit:  I don't care what plane my opponent flies as long they don't do excessively dweeby things it it.  An example would be hovering over a fight in a 190, I would be just as ticked if it was any other plane...  It's just lame.
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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2008, 03:29:51 PM »
what if the IL2 wasnt overmodeled so as to stop the one ping takeing a panzer out from 1k
What if the bomb blast from a cheesey little 500lb bomb wouldnt kill a panzer when its dropped 500yds away.
what if lancasters werent able to divebomb at a 45 degree angle.....yeah what if??

would be a much more challengeing and fun game right now it feels like a X-box or nintendo game falcon4 is more challengeing than this.

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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2008, 03:40:15 PM »
what if the IL2 wasnt overmodeled so as to stop the one ping takeing a panzer out from 1k
What if the bomb blast from a cheesey little 500lb bomb wouldnt kill a panzer when its dropped 500yds away.


Based on the quality of your facts, it seems the "nintendo factor" is more in your mind than in game ;)

On data you are basing your conculusion that the Il2 guns are overmodeled? You have any different penetration and armor thickness info?

A 500 lbs bomb is "cheesy little"? You gotta be kidding.. .250 lbs of high explosives...  :rolleyes:

And no, no Panzer in this game dies from any bomb dropped 500 yds away. It's just like all those "Spits accelerate to 400mph while climbing to 5k, I KNOW THEY DO!" MA anecdotes



BTW, that are 500yds:

Not even a jeep will be killed by even a 4000lbs bomb at that distance.




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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2008, 04:04:11 PM »
Dang, Lushe/Snailman, don't confuse the poor boy with facts . . .


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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2008, 05:06:48 PM »
OK facts

(3) Panzer 4 ...1941 Changes

In 1941, as more powerful guns were being used against tanks, 1.50 inches of additional armor plate was bolted against the plates on the front of the superstructure and on the upper and lower nose-plates. The 1.20-in. basic plates were face-hardened to a Brinell hardness of 600 to 800 and 1.25-in additional plates were the same. About a year later, in January 1942, the tank appeared with a basic armor of 1.97 inches on the front and back, the side-armor thickness remaining unchanged at 1.50 inches. This armor was chromium-molybdenum and performed well against monobloc shot.

(4) 1942 changes

Therefore, in June 1942, a .79-inch additional plate was bolted on the gun mantlet and front superstructure as a means to defeat a shot with a piercing cap. Between this plate and the basic armor was an air gap or space, varying from 4 to 8 inches. The plate conformed roughly to the shape of the section covered. The spaced armor seems to have been a field expedient, resulting undoubtedly from the demonstrated fact that the spare section of track carried on the front of German tanks gave additional protection. This method of adding armor was officially recognized, as later models had brackets fitted for installing spaced armor when desirable.

now tell me a piece of shrapnel from a bomb dropped at any diistance would penetrate that with the ease it does in this game.
if you actually believe that you need a physics lesson.

but i always forget you know everything about everything

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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2008, 05:21:59 PM »
OK facts

(3) Panzer 4 ...1941 Changes

In 1941, as more powerful guns were being used against tanks, 1.50 inches of additional armor plate was bolted against the plates on the front of the superstructure and on the upper and lower nose-plates. The 1.20-in. basic plates were face-hardened to a Brinell hardness of 600 to 800 and 1.25-in additional plates were the same. About a year later, in January 1942, the tank appeared with a basic armor of 1.97 inches on the front and back, the side-armor thickness remaining unchanged at 1.50 inches. This armor was chromium-molybdenum and performed well against monobloc shot.

(4) 1942 changes

Therefore, in June 1942, a .79-inch additional plate was bolted on the gun mantlet and front superstructure as a means to defeat a shot with a piercing cap. Between this plate and the basic armor was an air gap or space, varying from 4 to 8 inches. The plate conformed roughly to the shape of the section covered. The spaced armor seems to have been a field expedient, resulting undoubtedly from the demonstrated fact that the spare section of track carried on the front of German tanks gave additional protection. This method of adding armor was officially recognized, as later models had brackets fitted for installing spaced armor when desirable.

now tell me a piece of shrapnel from a bomb dropped at any diistance would penetrate that with the ease it does in this game.
if you actually believe that you need a physics lesson.

but i always forget you know everything about everything


Nice dodge.

HE bombs didn't kill tanks by shrapnel, the main killer was the blast. At close ranges it could overturn the tank, rip the hull apart or set the fuel on fire. But more important because working at even longer ranges, the overpressure killed or incapatiated the crew. Of course not at 500yds, but as already said, this doesn't work in AH either.

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Re: 3 What if's
« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2008, 05:25:05 PM »
Now while a #1 is nice especially combined with or followed by a good fart, a  #2 makes for great relief.  Though I've never encountered personally a #3...............curious!