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Offline Soda

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2000, 01:28:00 PM »
I agree Fishu,
B17's just aren't that fearsome anymore, not because they can't shoot you down in a flash, but because they don't pack enough punch alone to do a whole lot.  A single Ostie can lay waste to an entire field, a B17 can get at most 2 major hangers.

Lancs are a problem, those 14*1000lbs is enough to do serious damage, but then again, they tend to be lower in alt and easier to kill.

35K bombers is just insane but it's something that's been hash and re-hashed 100 times.  Nothing makes a whole night feel good though like shooting down some weenie from 30K+ in a B17...  I could care less if he gets me too, as long as he goes down.  Spending that long climbing to alt must be a pisser when you still get shot down.

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2000, 03:05:00 PM »
I spent the time to climb up to a 30+k B17 over A2 yesterday...it took so long, I actually burned all of the fuel out of my Niki's drop tank.  When I, and two of my squaddies, were almost within range he ripped off a wing...he said it was flak, but looked to me like he maneuvered it off.  Anyhow, after all that, no fire, but he did bail  .

I dove back down to 10k and killed his chute...he told me how uncool that was.


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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2000, 01:29:00 PM »
I have one even better, SOB

I climbed up to catch someone the other day, took me all my fuel and half the map.  He managed to drop his bombs on target but I knew I'd make it costly for him.. so he bailed before I could get close enough to land a shot.... no kill awarded... though he was another person who's parachute had small perferations that impeded it's operation....

And he called me a chute killer too  

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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2000, 02:37:00 PM »
Realism would support high alt buff missions. Realism doesn't support the accuracy of the buffs in AH. Current low drag bombs have a 6 mil circle of error. Bombing from 30,000 feet and higher means that your bombs would make a pattern based on that 6 mil error. The mathematicians that play AH can give accurate figures as to what this means if you are dropping from almost 6 miles (5.68 miles) away. This doesn't even take into account wind, it's direction or velocity at various altitudes effecting the bomb in it's trajectory. There is no doubt in my mind that hitting a hanger would be chancy at best. The older "fat" body bombs used in WW2 had a worse circle of error due to lesser streamlining. If the error was modeled, say above 20k alt there would be few if any space shuttles seen in AH.

Hitting an AAA emplacement from 30k using only one bomb is hardly realistic but does lend itself to game play. If enough complain about the unrealistic accuracy maybe it would be changed. I don't think it will as it would take buffs pretty much out of game play. This is definitely one example of a truly "uber" plane capability.

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2000, 03:02:00 AM »
Relax everyone I have got your Strato-buff solution right here.  I would give my left hand for one of these but then I wouldnt have anything to operate my throttle with  .

 

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2000, 09:18:00 AM »
I think Komet would ruin buff missions. IMO, it is fair and necessary to adjust accuracy in high level bombing to realistic levels (whatever they are, have no idea, but I guess bombing from 30K in WWII would not be as easy as it is in AH, if it was done at all), but definitely It's not fair to take off in a rocket, climb for 30 secs. and whipe out that buff with no fiter cover possible, given the speed of the thing. Of course HO fans will be glad with Komet -hey, it's always nice to switch from C-Hogs   (not intended to hurt the few good F4U drivers)-, but, again IMHO, as far as you don't model reliability issues (go blow yourself in the rnwy by some faulty rocket), Komet would be cool looking, but out of the question.

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2000, 01:25:00 AM »
What do you all suggest?

Maybe this guy should stay at 10k like I do?

I am successful on roughly 15% of my bombing missions.  This meaning that I actually drop bombs on a target on approximately 1-2 out of 10 sorties.

Climbing to 20k the odds improve, but only slightly.  

How do you propose that a player who likes to fly BUFF survive long enough to get some enjoyment out of their $30 per month?

Lets face it, BUFF's are easy to kill.  

Players fly that high so they can survive the mission.

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