My take on AcesHigh

[Yeager]

So that people do not misjudge my intentions, here is where I come from when I am critical of certain aspects of AcesHigh:

I consider AcesHigh a High Quality Combat Simulator not a self serving fantasy game.  The more AcesHigh leans towards fantasy the more uncomfortable I will become.  The closer it gets to recreating the real thing, the happier I am.  I dont mean engine startup and oxygen discipline.  I mean air to air combat manoevering, strategy and tactics.  Tanks and ships are great and I wouldnt mind some form of first person soldiering as well, but my true love is planes.  Always has been.

One thing that has disturbed me powerfully as of late is a prevailing attitude here on this BBS that if it isnt glowing in praise of the makers then its not worth wasting time on and shutup already.  Also happens to people who simply express their dislike for something, anything.

So before you gangbang the poor fella who suggests that the Chog has no validity in a massive multiplayer arena or the Ostiwind is just too disruptive to quality gameplay, take a moment to realize that your condemnation of that persons ability to express themselves may one day apply to your very own valid concerns.

Did I make any sense at all?

Yeager

[Westy]

"Did I make any sense at all?"

 Absolutely. I have ,many of the same wishes and concerns about AH as you, Jekyll and others have.
 But some folks just plain blow it in the delivery, the tone or repetativenss of thier message. Amazingly some are good at doing all three. I'm just talking in general Yeager, not pointing a finger at your or anyone in particular.

 -Westy

[Swoop]

Totally agree.


Swoop

[Grayarea]

I would not be playing AH if it weren't for the realism.

I like hardcore flight sims (F15).

Later,

Grayarea

[Lephturn]

Westy said it.  

The issue I have is how folks go about things, not that they have issues with some parts of the game.

Whether I agree with the addition of the CHog or not is immaterial.  But when folks start making claims and stating things as fact that just aren't true, I feel the need to disagree.  I have heard lots of whines that the CHog is uber or it makes reversals with no E loss or other such tripe that are just BS.  I don't think I can recall one single post discussing the validity of various planes and vehicles in the game and their effect on gameplay.

Yeager, if most folks would present their argument as eloquently as you have, this wouldn't be an issue.    <S>

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[Ice]

What in the world are you talking about?

 

Ice

[Hangtime]

I can recall a huge number of posts regarding the validity of placing an A/C that had no more than 200 total ever built in the entire war being sotired in numbers that dwarf it's original deployment every damn night. For and against.. back and forth..

It's a bitter issue. Rancor abounds. Facts are fired back and forth like dueling panzers.

It's turned into AH's Northern Ireland... and won't go away. Ever. Even if they take it out.

Kinda follows the path of that other flight sim... all I'm waiting for now is for somebody to gripe about bomb bay door drag not being modeled....

 

Hang

[edan]

"...all I'm waiting for now is for somebody to gripe about bomb bay door drag not being modeled...."
...and the fuel dump swicht too.

[Maverick]

<sitting back and getting out a spare flame suit for Yeager>

Preach on and watch out for the flaming pom poms!
<GDR>
Mav

[easymo]

 Yeager since you seem to want to be serious about this. Then consider this. These are just games. They have about as much in common with flying air to air combat as a Hollywood movie. If you accept them as games, then you look for the one that is the most fun.

 I don't mean this as a flame. You have been around a long time, and I respect your ability ,and your manner online. The thing is this. Why don't you fly WB. All the guns are weaker. and there is nothing approaching a chog in the game.

I have had zero problems with the hog. But then im a nik dweeb . I just don't understand your attitude towards a single plane. I don't like the pansy-51. but I don't bring it up in every post.

[gatt]

Yeager,
nice post, I agree with you.

 

[leonid]

Ditto, Yeager.

[Nash]

Watch this!

I bet in...say...2 posts, Yeager is gonna start harping on the Chog again!

Mark my words!

(hehe an opportunistic edit if there ever was one - sue me)  



[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 12-21-2000).]

[sax]

perfect
sax

[Yeager]

Easymo,

WBs is not a better simulation of air combat in my opinion (before AH it was the best).

Also, the Me262 is far more lethal in WBs  then the F4U1C is here.  They also have a Quad 20mm Corsair in WBs (Was it a 1C as well?) and both these birds availability is severely limited and for good reason.

When the 1D came to AH I was thrilled.  What a great plane to have in the arena.  When they announced the 1C I immediately said to myself "oh hell, why did they do that"?  and many other people made similar sighs as well.  The great F4U1D has basically been screwed into obscurity and that is a great loss from my perspective.  

It basically comes down to those people that love the simulation and those that love the game.  For the simhead the Chog needs to be treated as a specialty ride.  Almost like a circus freak.  Pull it out from time to time and amaze the dweebs but by all means keep it leashed and tethered.  For the gamer, the Chog is almost ejaculatory.  The holy grail of shock gaming.

In my opinion, in an open arena, the Chog cheapens the simulation. Thats probably the best summation I can come up with.

Regards,
Yeager