My take on AcesHigh

[Fishu]

Perk the 30mm Hispanos, those didn't exist in real world war 2 spitfires and chogs  

[jedi]

Just to clarify...

The F4U-4B (the one with the cannons) was removed PERMANENTLY from the WB planeset by Pyro BEFORE he left WB.  It no longer exists.

The Me-262 is POTENTIALLY a bigger problem than the cannonhog, but it's limited to ONE day every 3 weeks.  It's more of a nuisance than a viable aircraft, and, as someone will no doubt point out, the 30mm modeling in WB is...er..."controversial."  

So the situation is not the same at all.  If you're going to have "all uberplanes, all the time," you have to make sure no ONE plane is significantly more uber than the others.  It is kind of odd that a plane removed from WB for being "unbalancing" is allowed to remain in AH, without at least a Dora or Spit 14 to counterbalance it...

Be that as it may, your initial post was quite astute  

--jedi

[flakbait]

Yeager I agree with most of what you said. I posted what I thought to be a valid concern and was promptly roasted for it. Seems people just get plain mad sometimes; could be the time of year or just that there hasn't been an update in a few weeks. Who knows. I've noticed that some posts here you have to think about in order to really understand. Most of mine are like that; you have to follow my method of thinking somewhat to understand my point of view.

Jedi made an interesting point too:

 

It is kind of odd that a plane removed from WB for being "unbalancing" is allowed to remain in AH, without at least a Dora or Spit 14 to counterbalance it...

Come to think of it, you need two or three aircraft to counter balance a given threat just to make everyone happy. Sorta like the old round-n-round Spit 14 vs. Dora argument. One can not exist without the other, lest you get whining the likes of which has never been seen on this Earth. But to please everyone, you have to include something extra; P-47N, P-51H, etc... Since people have their preferences when it comes to planes, you have to include enough variations to cover it.


I guess I'm taking after Pyro on this post; just some random stuff.


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[Jekyll]

Yeager says it well, as always.  I too get somewhat less than excited when I see a premier WW2 flight sim move down the fantasy path.

I well remember the uproar in WB when the cannon-armed F4U-4 was introduced, then promptly dropped because of 'gameplay' issues.

Personally, I have no real problem with the 1C as such.  The N1K2 is another story  

Yes, I think the gunnery modelling in AH is a bit rich, particularly when we have 'accurate to the yard' eyeballs.  And I think that introducing both EZ-mode combat trim AND revised FM's in 1.04 was perhaps a mistake.

But AH is still the best out there.  I would love to see it stay at the forefront of WW2 combat SIMULATIONS.  But the competition is fierce: it seems that in order to succeed AH needs to differentiate itself from its competitors.

IMO, making it more 'game' than 'sim' is not necessarily the way to go.  There's lots of cheap WW2 games out there.

There is, as yet, no WW2 flight SIMULATION.

Just my $0.02

P.S.
 

I don't think I can recall one single post discussing the validity of various planes and vehicles in the game and their effect on gameplay.

Geez Lephturn, are you kidding?  Or do you just not see what you don't WANT to see?

[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 12-22-2000).]

[Pepino]

Being this a quite civilized thread, here it goes: I do not care the F4U-1C at all. Of course I get pissed off from time to time, but for me is funnier to have it than to have it hot. I don't fly that plane, and only occasionally the N1K2. And while I agree that Hispanos are VERY strong, I do not have the data to prove they are wrong. So, I have to cathegorize myself as a whiner when I complain about them. I only have opinions about the plane and the weaponry, and no time to dig for hard data. So, I have to deal with them, and trust Htc do their job.

OTOH, I think C-Hogs and N1K2 are valid, and in one sense, positive. They give the newbie the chance to kill something. This is a hard game to master, and the learning curve is long and steep.

I am not talking about validity in terms of reality check, for I have no data to back my opinions. Same for Hispanos. If I was to give my opinion in terms of a combat WWII simulation, I deeply miss engine management, gun jams, and barrell overheating modelled. But even before 1.05 is out I find this game the best I ever played. And AH community fun as the game itself. I pay UBB flamewarriors and dweebs no attention, most of the times. All in all, this game is the best my money can buy, and I am a Luxury Package player, yow know what I mean. Now if only I can have the Leather trim and A/C in my zeke, as the Luxury Package prospectus stated...  

Pepe

[TheWobble]

A game like this is dead in the water without the realism and its historical ties, I think that all the "nooo itll affect game plau if you make that realistic!" folks should go get some kinda fruity space sim and spend their days saving the planet from the 7 eyed death dwarfs from planet blagnarf or something that is geared twords "gameplay" me...I wanna get in my stang and splash some kraut aircraft and i want to know it is at least leaning twords the way it really was.

[NUTTZ]

Sorry but the 7 eyed death dwarfs were overmodeled!

NUTTZ
 

Originally posted by TheWobble:
A game like this is dead in the water without the realism and its historical ties, I think that all the "nooo itll affect game plau if you make that realistic!" folks should go get some kinda fruity space sim and spend their days saving the planet from the 7 eyed death dwarfs from planet blagnarf or something that is geared twords "gameplay" me...I wanna get in my stang and splash some kraut aircraft and i want to know it is at least leaning twords the way it really was.

[JG5_Jerry]

I agree with original post. I don't come here very often, but every time I do, some other plane is being discussed as 'uber'. (It now seems like it's the P-51D's turn). This is amusing, if nothing else.
I also think that criticism of HTC or of AH is not too popular here, valid or not. I like AH, but I don't like alot of things about it. I don't like the trim dials (or that trim stuff is not modelled right for some planes, i.e. the Bf109). I also don't like the numeric ammo counters. I would like to see HTC publish all the data they use to base the flight-models on - I genuinely think it would solve alot of the arguements about this, which seems to be a constant background noise   The word of any developer is not gospel truth, and more openess can only prolong the life of the game.

Now, are you guys going to get at me for what I've said, or nod sagely and keep calm...

 

[gatt]

AFAIK PYRO said the 7 eyed death dwarfs will be perked. They did not become operational till 1946  

[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 12-22-2000).]

[Lephturn]

Guys, I should have said "lately".    Yes originally there were lots of discussion about the 1C's inclusion in the plane set.  Lately however, I have not noticed any discussion primarily about it's inclusion, most posts have been claiming it's guns are uber or it's FM porked.  This is just the stuff that I have noticed or responded too, not saying there isn't any of that type of discussion.

In any case, what we should be paying attention to is what affect the scoring and perk system will have on planes like the N1k and CHog.  Based on my understanding of how it will work, I'll get more points for keelin' in my D-25 Jug than I would in a CHog.  I think the idea is for the scoring and perk system to help balance the arena out, and I think it will do that to some degree.  This will give HTC a tool help balance the arena out a bit better, and that is a very good thing in my book.  Lets see how the scoring and perk system impacts the play balance in the arena after a few tours.

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[SC-DeMutt]

  Hello everyone
 And IMO, Yeager; You're right on target in your first post. People SHOULD be able to post their feelings about AH, Realism vs. Gaminess, improvements they'd like to see, Or what tics 'em off. All without fear of the flaming repraisal. PROVIDED! Said posts don't open with a hearty: "YOU GUYS [or 'This Game'..] SUCK!!" (LOL!).
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  As for my thoughts on Planesets, Vehicles that leap tall buildings, etc... I have given this alot of thought. And I'm well aware that if I had the only 'Thought-Guided', Bullet-proof, 900mph, F4U-'H'(howitser armed), with guided 'Fart-Bombs', and unlimited ammo; I'd still be the only pilot in AH that hasen't killed a B-17!
   HOWEVER!... I truly believe that many of our fears would be lain to rest regarding Equality of gameplay, AND Historical Accuracy, If AH were to implement an Allies vs. Axis type of sim.  NOT Nescesarily in the strictest sense, Just the planes and vehicles, Ships etc. If you think about it, Almost all the complaning about FM comes from situations where Planes are pitted against each other, that in some cases, shared the same basic design. And/Or fought alongside each other. Or concievably WOULD have, had the war gone on... (Consider the senario possibilities of that concept!).

  Well, If you've read this... Aren't you glad I don't post a lot!? [LOL!]

  Thanks for the ear, and the forum!
SALUTE!

Doc "DeMUTT" Hoover
"Skeleton Crew" sqdrn;
Commanding.

"Fly With Honour!"

[AKDejaVu]

I think the MA is the wrong place to look for realism.

Unfortunately, AH doesn't have the planeset to provide realism in any arena.  That is a major downer for me.  Its hard to get historical with substitute aircraft.  Any kind of mini-war attempt is halted at the start because of the planeset.  Basically, the game dooms itself to an MA blastfest because of it.

Time to start thinking early-mid war.  Time to start pumping out some of those aircraft for witch you already have tons of data.  Please, I'm getting tired of having to lurk on the BBS waiting for "and the P-40 will be released with the next updated" to appear in the news section.

A frustrated gamer,
AKDejaVu

[Westy]

 Read Pyro's inteview. After 1.05 is out they are focusing on aircraft.

Aircraft, aircraft, aircraft. Adding aircraft.

-Westy

[Ice]

I agree with Yeager.

I also want the Dora in the MA and not offered as a perk. I have told HT that more times than he wants to hear I'm sure.

Guys, this is the reality of AH.

This is a young sim....we are along for the ride with a group of developers that provide us with more updates and in general, more attention to our concerns than any other company I have paid my money to. Changes are being made and will continue to made as long as HTC makes a profit and can see a future. Will it ever be perfect..nope...will everyone be happy...nope...can you fly AH and find a niche for yourself and your style of play...hope so.  

I don't know why most of you pay to fly AH, but for me, It's a great product which most of the time allows me some fun, which in my adult life I don't seem to have time for like I used to.

Try and have some patience and enjoy what we have...for a thirty dollar bill, this sim is a fine thing, and it will only get better.

In the meantime, the F4u1C remains my favorite aircraft to hunt and kill...thats how I deal with it. And if you were standing next to me when I castrate one, you would hear these words muttered under my breath..."Uber my prettythang"  

Ltr

Ice

[Yeager]

Ive enjoyed reading these posts, thanks.

Jedi, they took out the cannon armed hog?  smart move.  Thanks for straightening me out.

Yeager