Design your own airplane

[moot]

Thanks

8x20mm was a one-off.. Would definitely warrant a perk.  Hopefuly HTC doesnt find all this stuff too far out.. It'd be relatively simple to have them all once the perk system is worked out.

Can you say more about that D9 with a 152's engine and guns? 

[RAM]

Can you say more about that D9 with a 152's engine and guns? 

There's not much into it. The Jumo213A and E power eggs were mutually interchangeable. I don't know the reason why it happened (be it production supply problems with the 213A or an intentional desire to put the engine on a D-9) but a number of Dora-9s received the 213E power egg instead of the 213A one, and with it the engine mounted 30mm. To keep the CoG from shifting too much forward (a general problem with the 190 family iterations) they erased the 13mm MGs in the cowling, thus leaving the dora with the same weapon setup as a Ta152H.

[BnZs]

IMO, the best thing you could give the Luftwaffe would be something to get the radial-engine 190s "back in the game" as far as the Late-war goes. Whether that takes the form of an A-5 with extra boost, A-6, A-7, a lighter A-8, or an A-9, all are interesting possibilities.

[Angus]

Well, the ultimate rides will thereby be the ultimate rides USED by all sides. We have some of them already.
The 150 oct adds something to the Allies side as well (Spits and P51's) and they might have to be perked.
And an idea of a lighter and more powerful 190 is great IMHO.
(I always die in the thing)

[RAM]

IMO, the best thing you could give the Luftwaffe would be something to get the radial-engine 190s "back in the game" as far as the Late-war goes. Whether that takes the form of an A-5 with extra boost, A-6, A-7, a lighter A-8, or an A-9, all are interesting possibilities.

Dunno, I still have to be one tenth of what I used to be in this sim, yet I do pretty nice in the Fw190A8. The plane is "in the game" as long as you keep self-discipline, know when to dive away, and are able to pull some good defensive moves if the need arises. At very low levels it's got a decent acceleration that somehow compensates for it's low speed disadvantages. Between that, the rollrate, and that everyone discards the A8 as a pork 190, you usually are able to suprise more than one overconfident enemy. In fact I rate the A5 as a lesser ride than the A8: the A5 is nimbler, but the A8 has better punch and is 15mph faster on the deck, and that's one of the most important things in the MA.

Said that, I of course () don't have anything against improving the line. An "eastern front" A8 configuration (soviets captured quite a number of 190A8s with all non-essential equipment retired, weighing around 4000kg, that's some 700lbs less than the A8 we have in the game), or a BMW801F option (basically transforming ithe A8 into an A9 so why not going the short way and adding the A9 alltogether) for the model would be more than welcome and very nice additions.

For the Fw190A5 the C3 petrol injection system (1.58/1.65 ata) would be really nice. Almost 250 extra hp, 360mph on the deck and much better acceleration/climbrate at low levels .

The thing with the 190A options we're talking about is that there's no reason why either of those configurations should be perked. The plane would still be difficult to master and never too much popular. The A9 option would be a real monster down low, with similar performances to those of the D9 under 15000 feet. But the D9 is not perked, so the A9 then in all fairness shouldn't be either. If you perk one question arises on why not the other...and that would lead to a domino effect (if the D9 is perked why not hte La-7, etc, you know what I mean). An hypotetical A5 with C3 injection would be a bit less hard to fly, but still would be a pretty average ride in the main arena. Perking those options because historic rarity is not an option either (both the A5 with C3 injection and the A9 were common during WW2) and the Ta152H is unperked anyway...


The problem I sense here is that probably a big can of worms would be opened if those loadouts are added, unless they are unperked. Maybe a lower ENY for planes which use those configurations would be a solution...but neither of them warrant a perk because exceptional performance nor because rarity...

[moot]

So there werent any other major differences between A8 and A9, besides the engine?  The soviet gutted LW birds would be nice but I think they couldnt qualify, considering we cant get any captured skins.
Higher-powered early A's would be great. More loadout options would be great too, e.g. removing cowl MGs.

[RAM]

So there werent any other major differences between A8 and A9, besides the engine?  The soviet gutted LW birds would be nice but I think they couldnt qualify, considering we cant get any captured skins.
Higher-powered early A's would be great. More loadout options would be great too, e.g. removing cowl MGs.

no, no no, the "gutted" Fw190 was not a captured soviet bird. German Fw190A fighters in the front east (mostly JG54's) were usually stripped of all unnecessary equipment to lighten them as much as possible to better deal with the soviet ultralight fighters.

The A9 was mostly the same as the A8, just a new power egg with a 14 bladed fan for cooling the engine, and a broader (usually wooden) propeller that made good use of the extra hp the new BMW801 provided. Other than that they were almost identical.

Removing cowl MGs was done in the G-serie Fw190s only. As we already have a ground dedicated 190 in the F version, I doubt a G will be added (would be nice, those underwing drop tanks, tho ), and the As and Fs always had the cowling guns mounted.

[moot]

So that's another fake Rustsatz in Il2? I'm pretty sure I saw that, 'MG151/20 only', on an earlier Anton.
The A9 saw action, right?

[RAM]

So that's another fake Rustsatz in Il2? I'm pretty sure I saw that, 'MG151/20 only', on an earlier Anton.
The A9 saw action, right?

Well, I'm not sure but I think in Il2 there's no 190G, and there are a lot of R- and U- variants of the 190. The 190G3 was in fact a Fw190A5U8 (IIRC), had wing racks, piping for underwing DTs, and cowl mounts and outter cannons deleted. If that's the version of the early A5 without cowl guns, it's historically accurate. I think some Fw190A4 and A3 dedicated to the jabo role also had the cowl guns stripped, so my bet would be that the il-2 version with cowl guns erased is ok with history (other thing is their performance in that game, lol)


The A9 saw quite a lot of action, as many of the late Antons were all A9s or A8s with the updated power egg. There were some 4000 BMW801TS/TH allocated for FW production. That would include reserves, so that would mean around 1000 A9s were built (or brought up to A9 standards from A8) by the end of the war, thus making up a big percentage of the 190 fleet still flying during the last year of the conflict in Europe.

[moot]

We definitely have to have the A9s, then

[camnite]

the reason I said chose b24 body and b17 mounting point is it would give the aircraft a better roll rate while still keeping the maximum bomb load possible. Didnt know about the wings though, figured the 17s wings were a tadmore aerodynamic.

[MrMeaty]

f4u-5 with 20mms

a p38 with 2 tempest engines


a yak 9u with the tempest engine


and a zeke with the f4u-4 engine



MrMeaty

[BnZs]

a p38 with 2 tempest engines

MrMeaty

Mr. Meaty, hope you don't mind, I did some figuring on this for my own amusement. 

The dry weight of an Allison V-1710 is 1445 lbs.

The dry weight of a Napier Sabre V is 2360 lbs.

2360x2=4720 lbs.

1445x2=2890 lbs.

So the net increase in weight from switching to Allisons to Napier Sabres would be roughly 1820 lbs.

P-38L in AHII with 50% fuel and the light gun package weighs 16,098 lbs. The P-38L has a wing area of 327.5 square feet. That gives a wing-loading of 49.15 lbs-slightly higher than the Fw-190 D9 at 50% fuel. The high-aspect ratio of the Lightning's wings and the Fowler flaps help it to turn much better of course. The Napier engines would bring the weight up to ~17918 and the wing-loading up to ~55 lbs.

So it would be an interesting airplane to fly. It would probably turn like a 190A8, be able to pull itself into compressibility in level flight, and out-accelerate everything. And possibly hang vertically on the props 'till the cows come home...IF you could convince those Brits to build the engines in "handed" versions. Since we've got the thing overweight anyway, might as well put some more 20MMs or even a Mk. 108 in the nose.

and a zeke with the f4u-4 engine

I can see it now...the R-2800 torque-flips the zeke over a couple of times on start-up, then tears itself loose from the mountings and goes looking for some real iron to pull through the air. 

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

With the properly setup Allisons and Hamilton Standard high activity paddle props, the P-38K could exceed 450MPH (and possibly 460MPH) in level flight. In fact, the P-38L-5-Lo with the boost and RPM set to Allison and Lockheed specifications would pull 447MPH in level flight. I'm not sure how much weight would be added to a P-38 if you swapped out the 4 Browning 50BMG (500 rounds each) and 1 20MM Hispano (150 rounds) for 5 20MM Hispanos with 250 rounds each. I'd say it could be adjusted and compensated to fit within the Lockheed CG specifications.

[Murdr]

With the properly setup Allisons and Hamilton Standard high activity paddle props, the P-38K could exceed 450MPH (and possibly 460MPH) in level flight. In fact, the P-38L-5-Lo with the boost and RPM set to Allison and Lockheed specifications would pull 447MPH in level flight. I'm not sure how much weight would be added to a P-38 if you swapped out the 4 Browning 50BMG (500 rounds each) and 1 20MM Hispano (150 rounds) for 5 20MM Hispanos with 250 rounds each. I'd say it could be adjusted and compensated to fit within the Lockheed CG specifications.

Here is the 2 cannon prototype tested in connection with the xp-49 program.  Other test versions included 8x.50 cals in the nose, and also one with 3 long barrel .60 cals in the nose.


From TO-01-75F-1, I see the weight of the single 20mm installation is 186.37 lb.  The weight of the 4 .50 cals combined are 276.18 lbs.