Regular M4 Sherman

[CAVPFCDD]

macerxgp, the argument isnt the gun, its the armor, sherman was kind of a death trap, t34 at least had a revolutionary kind of armor

[macerxgp]

That's what I said, dangit! I said the gun was only SLIGHTLY better. And yes, I DID say the armor, and silhouette were improvements over the Sherman.

[E25280]

macerxgp, the argument isnt the gun, its the armor, sherman was kind of a death trap, t34 at least had a revolutionary kind of armor

Do some reading.  Might change your mind.

Linky

I want also to add that the Sherman's armor was tough. There were cases on our T-34 when a round struck and did not penetrate. But the crew was wounded because pieces of armor flew off the inside wall and struck the crewmen in the hands and eyes. This never happened on the Sherman.

The only thing "revolutionary" about the T-34's armor was the slope.  Look at the front armor of the Sherman -- sloped.  The Sherman's hull armor was actually slightly thicker than the T-34s as well.

All in all, quite comparable tanks.  I find it to be simply silly that the reputations differ by such a large degree.

[Grits]

Most of the reason the T-34 has the reputation it does is it was initially facing the Panzer III with the L/42 gun when it first saw service. Against that the M4 would have done OK too, but it didnt see service until the Panzer IV was the primary German tank.

[Hajo]

I believe there were upwards of 50,000 Shermans made during WWII.

It is really a no brainer that it should be added.

[glock89]

Love to see it added.