Cost of gun control?

[-tronski-]

p.s. rich46yo, I'm in that country where you are THIRTY times less like to be killed with a firearm than in the USA, where firearm ownership is ~1 firearm per 4 people, where you can legally buy suppressors/silencers for your firearm, and where you can legally buy Norinco products.

You can buy chinese AK clones, and QBZ's etc off the shelf in Aotearoa?

 Tronsky

[batdog]

The gun control argument is nothing more than a political and news paper selling cow that gets milked hard when/if a middle class school full of mostly white kids suffers a mass killing (God forbid this happens to any place or people). The "black" communities had/have dealt w/this for years... and all the gun control in the world did not matter. The concept that a nation that can not control DRUGS or PEOPLE can restrict the ownership of guns by criminals is INSANE....yes INSANE...

The "gun" violence  seen today that is tied directly to crime (and not ie domestic etc) isn't a gun matter. Its a social and economic matter. The problem is that our press and politicans aren't the brightest bulbs in the shed and refuse to address this simple fact then use it for pure "vote for me look I care" politics or buy my paper,read my article about the latest murder. 

What I'm saying is simple.... happy people have a much less desire to kill,rob and steal from one another. The prisons are predominately full of black men... or at least have a significantly higher population. WHY is this.... simple, its called ECONOMICs. This use to be phenomenon of the Irish and somewhat of the Italian immigrants and as that grouped moved up the economic ladder you began to see less of them or at least the crime w/in those communities lessened.

Get those morons we call our leaders to finally address this issue and my money is you'll see much less crime.


Thank you.

[Vulcan]

Yup, Norinco's and Saiga's



...and blinged out AK's.

rich46yo, you don't have to read my posts if you don't want too.

[Angus]

The ones who kill others with a firearm are normally not the biggest bulbs. And those same ones shouldn't normally be allowed to.
That is the challenge of gun control.

[wrag]

The ones who kill others with a firearm are normally not the biggest bulbs. And those same ones shouldn't normally be allowed to.
That is the challenge of gun control.

IIRC english is a second language for you?

Thinking what you meant to say was more along the line of...


The ones who murder others with firearms are normally not the brightest bulbs. And those same ones shouldn't be allowed to.
That is the challenge of gun control.


Is that closer to what you meant?

Problems!

How do you KNOW who will and will not murder?

It's not always so easy to tell until they have committed such an act.

And under our legal system all are SUPPOSED to be consider innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty.

So gun control has some problems right out of the gate.

And then add in that criminals are criminals due to a lack of respect for the law AND the rights of others and......

I say AND because throughout history many that have respected the rights of others were been considered criminals by an oppressive Government only because they have resisted that oppressive Government.

[Vulcan]

There are plenty of other examples of licensing though wrag, such as driver/vehicle licensing. Or are you implying that people should be able to drive without a license, test, training, until such time as they have a crash?

Throughout history there have been examples of governments overthrown without the civilian population being armed to the teeth. In that situation all you are going to create is martyrs.

[Gman]

Most importantly : WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BUY A NORINCO?

[Wingnutt]

I paid for my CHL last week, class in January 

I don't intend to carry it on my person all the time, but it will likely stay in the car.

Has been something on the "to do" list for years, but considering the economy, and the president elect who is going to.. well nobody knows what he may do..  I opted to get one while I still could.

And of course there is the biggest cliche of all time..  "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"

 

[wrag]

There are plenty of other examples of licensing though wrag, such as driver/vehicle licensing. Or are you implying that people should be able to drive without a license, test, training, until such time as they have a crash?

Throughout history there have been examples of governments overthrown without the civilian population being armed to the teeth. In that situation all you are going to create is martyrs.

True about the licensing thing.

BUT....

There is NO right to drive a car within the Bill of Rights.

And if something is a RIGHT it can not or should not be licensed?

Why?

Because with licensing required to enjoy a right one can be denied that right and therefore it is no longer a right but becomes a privilege that can be denied at the governments whim.

Unalienable means it CAN NOT be taken away.

It's a concept that I imagine can be difficult for people of other countries to follow as there are Americans that can't seem to understand it, or it's true purpose.

[Vulcan]

Yeah understand that wrag, just talking in a global/general way (given as the original post refers to an article refering to gun laws in india).

[Vulcan]

Most importantly : WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BUY A NORINCO?

Because they're not a bad low end rifle. Everyone I known who uses them says they're rough around the edges but fairly good shooters.