La5 and hitting ur target

[bmwgs]

bmwgs, look me up if you see me on.  I'll let you hop in my Ki-61 and walk you through some stuff.   I'll switch to where ever you are flying.   

That I will do

Thanks

Fred

[RTHolmes]

ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons. 

if, like the OP, most of your encounters involve outflying the opponent and then watching him egress, why not try a faster plane? makes sense to me.

uber rides? pfff. speed, range, vertical ability, centre mounted guns and cannon (the most uber versions of both in the game), let me add the 38 to the "uber ride" list. and the F4Us and P47s (I never fly the F6 so cant comment on that) 

[dedalos]

ummm instead of looking for another "uber ride" that can catch the F4u, F6F, P38, P47...ummmm why not FLY the F4u, F6F, P38, P47? This is the problem with todays players. Why spend a bit more time LEARNING to fly the planes you fear/can't kill when you can take a "short cut" and fly a faster plane with bigger cannons. 

Nah, the problem is that there are too many native English speakers that apparently do not understand the language.  What the guy is looking for is a plane that can catch the guys that took the time to learn their rides,  after he beat them.  Not to mention that the LA5 is hardly an uber ride 

[The Fugitive]

Nah, the problem is that there are too many native English speakers that apparently do not understand the language.  What the guy is looking for is a plane that can catch the guys that took the time to learn their rides,  after he beat them.  Not to mention that the LA5 is hardly an uber ride 

I don't know, after I "out fly someone" they are in the tower. So my guess is he doesn't know the other planes as well as he thinks nor is he out flying them as well as he thinks. I was just trying to point out that learning the other planes would help more than taking a short cut and grabbing the fastest big cannon plane he can get.

[Anaxogoras]

Nah, the problem is that there are too many native English speakers that apparently do not understand the language.  What the guy is looking for is a plane that can catch the guys that took the time to learn their rides,  after he beat them.  Not to mention that the LA5 is hardly an uber ride 

Forcing the faster, worse turning aircraft to disengage is easy.  What takes skill is killing them before they realize their escape window is gone.

[dedalos]

Forcing the faster, worse turning aircraft to disengage is easy.  What takes skill is killing them before they realize their escape window is gone.

You are kidding right?  When I out fly a spit or NIKI or F4U in a P40 and they put their nose down heading for the nearest ack that was easy and I need to learn not to fly the easy mode uber planes?  The answer is the LA.  After all, lalas are easy kills for you aces lol.

The guy has it right.  I love the LA because no one can run from it

[Anaxogoras]

You are kidding right?  When I out fly a spit or NIKI or F4U in a P40 and they put their nose down heading for the nearest ack that was easy and I need to learn not to fly the easy mode uber planes?  The answer is the LA.  After all, lalas are easy kills for you aces lol.

The guy has it right.  I love the LA because no one can run from it

Which P-40?  The P-40E does not out turn the aircraft you listed.http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

Fwiw, I don't have any issue with either LA.

[dedalos]

Which P-40?  The P-40E does not out turn the aircraft you listed.http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

Fwiw, I don't have any issue with either LA.

Exactly my point.  So once they get out flown by the P40, they point the nose down and run.  The guy had a question and a good point.  Fugitive came out swinging at him for asking a question about the uber La5 lol

[Anaxogoras]

Exactly my point.  So once they get out flown by the P40, they point the nose down and run.  The guy had a question and a good point.  Fugitive came out swinging at him for asking a question about the uber La5 lol

Yes, I agree that forcing one of those aircraft to run away from a P-40E is no easy task!  A Spitfire IX on the other hand is an entirely different scenario.

[Black Jack]

Thanks for the guys who understand what i'm looking for. I do fly those other planes and some others as well. I fly them to know what are their weakness so i can try to manoeuver against that when i fly the spitfire. Just too many planes that can outrun a spit when they feel trapped. I am trying to learn as many planes as i can but it takes time. Somebody like Fugitive who has been playing for many years i'm sure had time to learn most of the set but it's not my case yet. I never flew the La's before and when i tried the La5 i found, maybe i'm wrong but that it handles a lot like my spit if u fly it slow or fast. I don't want to use it to run away, it's for keeping them from running from me when i finally got the advantage. I like to TnB if possible but sometimes you just can't. Maybe the La5 can do both. I've seen some amazing stuff by some guy flying them. I know that in Mid War it doesn't happen too often that u see a P38, Pony or P47 below the others. They fly their planes the way they were designed and I understand that. But sometimes it would be fun if these guys would fight until they die or they kill the other. Not go away when it becomes hot for them. That's what's happening with a spitfire9. People say that the spit is an easy plane to fly. I would say yes for that, but it's also very easy to destroy. So you have to fly better in a spit and you can't afford being hit like the F6f or P47 can because your plane is gone. These guys are built like tanks. Unless u got a canopy shot on those with a spit, on many occasions it will take you 2 passes to destroy them. Only a few good 50cal on the tail section and both elevators will go on a spit. I would say the same about a Zeke. Everybody tries any shot on a zeke because they flame easy, so surviving in one makes you a better pilot i think. After all this is said and done, everybody can fly whatever they want. I'm just trying to learn more from a game i like that's it. Thanks   

[transam1]

I can understand the OP's frustration. Notice he said he wanted to counter a BnZ style. If someone smart if flying one of the planes he listed and has an alt advantage the spit will never kill them. Now that scenario is a perfect one of coarse but it illustrates his point. I have flown the MW quite a bit lately and there are many pilots in there that only want to score well and not find a good fight. It does seem like it is getting more and more rare that someone will want to fight till the end in there. So I can not blame Black Jack for wanting to get in a faster ride when everyone is running away from him.

With that said I will offer one suggestion. If you want a fight down low and slow you need to get out of MW. I have had alot of fun playing in EW and had lots of great fights there.

Also if you enjoy MW enough to stick it out then try the 109-F its great for dealing with someone trying to BnZ you. That airplane can hang on the prop forever which may give you a few shots as the enemy zooms back up.

[BnZs]

Personally, I think when one is flying something that holds every card except top speed against "X" aircraft, you can expect "X" to engage using energy tactics and extend if the energy state is equaled and positions reversed. If you are in a given model of Spit, then the selection of contemporary planes who have little in the way advantage over you except top speed is going to be large, thus you are going to get that treatment quite a bit, but IMO, that is no reason to complain. Besides, there are always plenty of other Spits to fight.

Just as the high-wing loaded E fighter faces the challenge of a difficult snapshot to defeat the low-wingloaded angles fighter, the angles fighter must be quick and accurate in his shooting if he is to get the kill on his reversal before the faster plane can extend. Perfectly fair.

That said, there is no real fault in any individual flying any available airplane however they like. If an airplane has too many advantages relative the others in the same arena set, it is up to those running the game to assign it a high ENY/perk price.

I can understand the OP's frustration. Notice he said he wanted to counter a BnZ style. If someone smart if flying one of the planes he listed and has an alt advantage the spit will never kill them. Now that scenario is a perfect one of coarse but it illustrates his point. I have flown the MW quite a bit lately and there are many pilots in there that only want to score well and not find a good fight. It does seem like it is getting more and more rare that someone will want to fight till the end in there. So I can not blame Black Jack for wanting to get in a faster ride when everyone is running away from him.

With that said I will offer one suggestion. If you want a fight down low and slow you need to get out of MW. I have had alot of fun playing in EW and had lots of great fights there.

Also if you enjoy MW enough to stick it out then try the 109-F its great for dealing with someone trying to BnZ you. That airplane can hang on the prop forever which may give you a few shots as the enemy zooms back up.

[transam1]

Well said BnZs.

Like I said a smart stick in a faster plane will not let the spit kill him. I think just changing your choice of aircraft might get you more kills just because the spit is thought to be so dangerous. I think if you were to take a poll of AH players many would tell you that the Spit9 is superior to the LA5 or 109F. I don't believe this to be true but maybe some people will stick around longer if they didn't see you in a Spit.

[bongaroo]

I had no problem hitting targets with it in the last FSO to feature it: The Dogs of War - Belgorod-Kharkov - 1943


~~~The Killuminati~~~

420ace
22:04:13 Departed from Field #4 in a La-5FN
22:37:08 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by fyvsix.
22:43:16 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by KingTex.
22:47:13 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by 417jocko.
22:49:03 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by NavyCV61.
22:52:04 Shot down a Bf 109G-6 flown by Drano.
22:53:35 Shot down a Bf 109G-6 flown by TC.
23:12:47 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #4.
23:50:45 Arrived Safely at Field #37

It just takes patience to get killing shots with it.  You need to work for good solid shots and limit your snapshots.

[Shane]

I don't want to use it to run away, it's for keeping them from running from me when i finally got the advantage.

welcome to the dark side.     la7 is much better, tho'... and a yak9u almost as good.  but for MW.. yeah la5 will rock.

just that you gotta shoot relatively close-in and really get to know your high deflection shots because you get a lot of snap/crossing shots.

only drawback to the russian stuff is short legs and short clips.