Increase the perk points earned by buffs

[Naudet]

OK u might wonder to hear this from a dedicated fighter jockey, but i think the guys in the buffs dont earn enough for all the time they spend climbing and flying to drop their payload.

I have done 3 long range buff sorties this weekend (2 times in LANC 1 time in B17) and wondered that u really dont ean much for nearly an hour of boring flight.

Those guys should earn more, my idead would be about (for Lancs and B17, B26, JU88 and TBM should earn about 1.5 times the below perk values):

0.5 perks for every ack, fuel, dar or barrack destroyed
2 perks for a FH or VH
2.5 for BH

for those city buliding i assume 0.25 perks

and if u land the sortie u should earn about 2-4 perks extra.


And than next add a few more perk buffs to AH so the buff guys have some funny planes to fly with.
Ideas for perk buffs that come to my mind are:

B29
HE 177
P38 glassed nose
ME262 glassed nose
TU-2

[janjan]

If you fancy bomber perk points just fly Ju88. Should bring you some 5 perkies/successfull sortie.

Where do you want those perkies anyway. Once you hit the Arado price you can fly it everytime you like with little planning (how can you die in it anyway?).

[tofri at work]

Where do you want those perkies anyway. Once you hit the Arado price you can fly it everytime you like with little planning (how can you die in it anyway?).[/QB][/QUOTE]

Crash it on the runway!  

[Karnak]

Naudet,

I agree with janjan.  Bomber perks come a a decent pace.  They come faster if you bomb from about 15,000ft in my experience.

A few comments on your perk list:

B-29A = Great example of a perk bomber.
He177A-5 = Definately not a perk bomber in the MA. Perk bomber in the CT.
P-38L Droop Snoot = Very rare.  Possible cheap perk bomber.
Me262 Glassed Nose = Fantasy aircraft that never existed.
Tu-2S = High-end bomber, but definately not a perk bomber.

Others:

Mosquito B.MkXVI = Perk bomber.
B-32A = Perk bomber if added.
A-26B = Possible perk bomber.

[LePaul]

As a pretty dedicated buff driver, I agree!  I'm kinda awed that we get so few points for hitting the hangars, but if we pork the base of fuels, radar and barracks, the perk point meter starts getting pegged  (and how many times has some idiot nailed the barracks when 5 minutes later, you capture the base and need those troops??  Doh!)

I'm impressed at how quickly the fighter perks rack up (and I do not consider myself much of a good fighter pilot compared to you guys).  But for a buff to survive a long, deep mision to an enemy's HQ and get less than 1 point for drilling the HQ and making it back, one has to ask, why not more?

There's more perks to be had blasting the fuel refinery and city, yet the HQ, which is usually fiercely defended, offers little.

By far the biggest perk winner for bomber points is capturing a base with the C47, and that's not a bomber  

[Tac]

give perks for every bomb that hits affected by a multiplier depending on target/effect/size of bomb?

Do it in such a way so that the buff gets perks for the targets they hit and a little bonus for destroying a structure (as opposed to weakening it). Smaller bombs get less perks if they hit a big target (say, HQ) because its really dumb to do that anyway, but get more perks for hitting soft targets (say, acks) than a big bomb (aka, a 250 lb bomb killing an ack gets more perks than if you had dropped a 4k bomb on an ack).

I hate math, so ill let someone else figure it out.

[Wotan]

buffs have to great an impact on gameplay as is.

Toughen all structures first then add more perks.

or better yet get rid of um. Everything in ah can be killed by bombs dropped by fighters.

buffs suk 1 dweeb in a lanc can ruin a good fight or upset the balance (ridiculus hq raids). I find them no harder to kill then anything else but any dweeb can spray his mgs from 2k and get a kill.

however keep the ju88 its too darn pretty to get rid of  

[Naudet]

Why those increased perks, here my fighter pilots view why the buff jockeys should get em:

Its simply to represent the huge amount of time those guys spent in the buffs, for which they earn nealry nothing.
If u want to hit a hard fought target with ur buff, u need 18K better 20K to make 2 fly overs, and that takes time, in a lanc atleast 20 mins.

i.e. in those 20 min, i often manage to earn a couple of kills, especially if i fly an LA7 hotrod.

and to Wotan: it aint easy for a single buff to survive, if he doesnt gets a gunner, he is a huge not to miss tgt that flies slow and level at the time it reaches it tgt.


And last but not least: I dont need the buff perks, i dont speak for me. When i fly a buff its most often a crazy idea and i dont think of earning many perks or get anything else but a death. I just find the buff drivers need to earn ore perks, cause we fighter jockeys underestiminated their part of the game.

[Wotan]

S! Naudet

My squad is usually ranked 1 or 2nd in buff ranks. For the most part I fly ju88 or 234. I have around 600 buff perks.

A lanc can lvl a field by itself. It's 2 x 50 cals can destroy any plane. A b17 has magic guns that can actually fire thro itself to kill you. A b26 is fast manuverable and deadly. Any of these buffs can unrealistically shut dwn a field.

There impact on gameplay outways any more gameplay concessions.

Not to mention ackstars and carbombers or your suicide buff dweebs.

People complain about nikis chogs or spits but you'll find the true dweeb in a buff ib your hq or flying to a field where a good fight is at just to ruin it. They rarely have any intention of base capture.

AH buffs are useless we have jabos that can do anything a buff can do in ah.

This may be different when 1.08 comes out but right now they are just stupid.

btw Naudet there are certain "tricks" that can be employed when buffing to maximize your buff rank as well as your perk points.

Im not gonna post them because then every dweeb will jump on the band wagon (inbetween niki sorties of course)....

[iculus]

I'm tempted to say that buff perks are OK as they are.  I spend a fair amount of time in them, and it is OK.

<S>IC

[LePaul]

Hey Wotan

I agree with most of what you say.  But I can tell you, and as you must know, people love to request buffs in deadly areas, but we very rarely get it.  Why going into harms way, nice and slow, and try to knock down hangars, fuels, etc for those who request it.  Lancasters are pretty vulerable, since the tail gun has a low ammo count and so much of the underside is vunerable to boom-n-zoom attacks.  

The Ju88 nerf guns just have no punch to down a good fighter plane.  Unless the enemy con is a tard and stays on its 6 to receive 500 rounds, they'll win.  I like the Ju88, its a great flying plane, just not a lot of defenses and a small payload.

B17s puzzle me.  From a fighters point of view, they suck.  From one gunnery position, every gun locks onto you and fires away, firing through their own structure and getting these amazing hits from 3 and 9 o'clock positions, 1.9k+ away.  Clearly the B17s have a hearty load of "JFK Magic Bullets".    

For that matter, I do not think all the guns should fire, only the manned one.

(But we also have problems with acks on bases, shooting through hangars and such still....)

I think the buffs are under-rewarded.  If you are crazy enough to grab an Aradao and topple over a VH or any other target deep in enemy turf, and make it back, you might get .90 perk points.  Surely not worth the danger (yet fun!).

I've got close to 800 bomber perk points now and I dont use them much.  

Far and wide, flying buffs for your side is largely unrewarding.  Much like flying the goon, people beg and plead for you to come to their area, but sadly, many times leave you there to die.  The only exception being if you are flying with a squad and have your squadmates assistance.  So, it would be cool if the rewards were a bit better in regards to perks  

Just my 2 cents

[Replicant]

No need to increase perk points earned by buffs, you can pick up quite a lot as it is - at least 2 - 5 perk points per sortie.  Hell I got 1532 buff perkies but apart from the Ar234 nothing to spend them on.....

Regards

Nexx

[whels]

i agree, give buffers more stuff to bomb and points when mission is successfull, BUT,
the ENY of the buff is wrong. the eny of the buff should reward any fighter with a hefty
perk point gain, as it is right now
a fighter killing a buf might get 2 points max with rtb. but yet if  a buff kills a figter usually garners 2 to 5 per fighter.

i think buff ENY should be set to below 5, so when a fighter is able to kill a buff, it is rewarded for it, but raise the OBJ of buffs to gain them rewards for making the targets and dropping thier bombs.

on avg id bet a fighter gets less then 1 point for a buff kill , even if it rtbs. but if a buff kills 1 fighter, and rtbs without dropping bombs it would get about 3 points.

whels
 

Originally posted by Naudet:
OK u might wonder to hear this from a dedicated fighter jockey, but i think the guys in the buffs dont earn enough for all the time they spend climbing and flying to drop their payload.

I have done 3 long range buff sorties this weekend (2 times in LANC 1 time in B17) and wondered that u really dont ean much for nearly an hour of boring flight.

Those guys should earn more, my idead would be about (for Lancs and B17, B26, JU88 and TBM should earn about 1.5 times the below perk values):

0.5 perks for every ack, fuel, dar or barrack destroyed
2 perks for a FH or VH
2.5 for BH

for those city buliding i assume 0.25 perks

and if u land the sortie u should earn about 2-4 perks extra.


And than next add a few more perk buffs to AH so the buff guys have some funny planes to fly with.
Ideas for perk buffs that come to my mind are:

B29
HE 177
P38 glassed nose
ME262 glassed nose
TU-2