Norwegin Aces

[Nilsen]

Keep burrying yourself deeper in the poo Hangtime. 

[Hangtime]

Typical Nils.. stand back and toss one liners.. minimal effort, while you wait for others to do your heavy lifting.

 

[FLOTSOM]

hey Flotsam.. nice appeal. My heart pumps peanut butter for 'em.

Again.. any Norwegian equivalents of Corregidor? Surrounded, no resupply; not even defending their homes; how long did those americans hold out? Why did they do that? What became of them? Any Norwegian Bataan's?

Fact: The King and the treasury bolted.. the military folded; the country was occupied without much of a fight. You'll argue that there's nothing else they could do.. yet Finland managed to throw back the Russians and the Germans. Three times.

Norway was no Finland, No Poland, No England. It was just another snack for the germans, who they seemed to have more in common with than the other allied nations that bled for them and restored for them their country after paying a much higher price in blood for it in than they did themselves.

No Crying. Poland was screwed. Norway was treated with kid gloves in comparison... before, during and after the war. They don't deserve anything more than the footnote in history that explains 'Quislings'.

well i have spent more than enough of my time on this topic, so this will be my last entry on this topic.

i will concede that you have conceived some version of history to hug and snuggle and call your very own and that you derive great warmth and pleasure from it. thus i will leave you to your ignorance and self imposed blindness and hope you find many a happy night fondling your historical fantasies to your utmost delights.

but i will mention one word that you may or may not be familiar with.

one word that before you throw dirt or disparaging remarks in the direction of the Norwegians that you should take into account.

one word that you in your utter ignorance of history may not realize changed the entire world.

one word that for centuries was a scream made in fear

one word that was a guarantee of death and destruction

its a simple word......

the word is.....

NORSEMEN

maybe you should look it up before you throw rocks at the historical bravery and willingness to fight of an entire nation.

FLOTSOM

[Hangtime]

"Norsemen". LOL! Thieves. Plunderers. Barbarians.

Kinda like Mongols without horses.

Now, just Quislings.

and Viking Kittens.

[CAVPFCDD]

the king and the treasury bolted to save it from being plundered by the germans and aiding their war, so that is not a valid argument, that was done to save it so there could be a norway after the war and so the nazis couldn't get more funding for their war.

also if you're looking at norwegians killed, its all relative, norway is a tiny country and is definatly not an agressive country with a vast military might like UK, USA, Germany, France and Russia... the norwegians were trying their very best to stay out of the war because they knew they didnt stand a chance.

And with the norwegians fighting in the SS, well look up some history, the main defenders on the coast of france were Eastern Europeaners who had the choice of joining the German army, so people from all countries fought in the german army to avoid oppression, you have to realize at the time it looked like Germany was going to rule the world, so if you can't beat em join em.

Norway fought the longest of any european country before surrendering and they had no where near the resources or man power of France or Russia or even Poland.

These cowardice claims are just out right false and offense to me as a norwegian, we're a very proud people, and proud of our heritage, I have family and know plenty of people who stood up and fought the germans.

Also, many of norwegian pilots managed to flee the country and get to the UK and fight for the RAF, there was even a month were the norwegian pilots scored the more kills than every other RAF unit.

So find another country to call cowards, because norwegians are far from it

[Angus]

Hangtime, you seem to need some read-ups as well.
Norway did not fall on their back and hand itself over to the Nazis, although Vidkun Quisling was there.
They were more pro-Brit, and horrified with the German "Success".
In a position far safer was the U$A, and at the time, nowhere nearly on the "Allied" side as were the Norwegians.

[Rich46yo]

My people are from Sweden so I know something about Norsemen, and of course, history.

Its a totally different story then what youv seen in a Monty Python movie.

[Hangtime]

These cowardice claims are just out right false and offense to me as a norwegian, we're a very proud people, and proud of our heritage, I have family and know plenty of people who stood up and fought the germans.

LOL.. yup. And every Frenchman I ever met was in the Maquis too.

Now as to the 'cowardice claims', and just where in this thread did I call norwegians cowards? I did kick the props out of the Norwegian Revisionist History Club's dissertation with facts and supporting data... but I didn't call them Cowards. I just refuted claims of exalted status when compared with the contributions of several other european nations that bled more, suffered more and paid more for the ultimate allied victory in Europe than the Norwegians did.

[CAVPFCDD]

LOL.. yup. And every Frenchman I ever met was in the Maquis too.

Now as to the 'cowardice claims', and just where in this thread did I call norwegians cowards? I did kick the props out of the Norwegian Revisionist History Club's dissertation with facts and supporting data... but I didn't call them Cowards. I just refuted claims of exalted status when compared with the contributions of several other european nations that bled more, suffered more and paid more for the ultimate allied victory in Europe than the Norwegians did.

umm.. every person who said norway just "surrendered"... the entire reason this whole debate started

and what are you implying with your first sentence there? People should be proud of where they came from... are you trying to say the norwegians and french shouldn't be proud for some reason?

[Rich46yo]

Facts and supporting data?

Heres some "supporting data". The Nazis occupied little Norway with 400,000 professional troops. Thats how important they considered their trade routes were for Swedish ore and minerals. The Norwegians actually put up some stiff resistance at first and several German warships were sunk. They were simply overwhelmed by far superior forces. Kinda like we Americans were at Corregidor. Remember? When the Yank Supreme Commander deserted his troops under battle? The same guy we gave the Medal Of Honor to?

The Norwegian Govt. never surrendered. The German installed Quisling Govt. did, and did conspire with the Germans.

BTW Quisling was executed after the war for treason. The rest of the Norwegians who helped the Germans experienced severe retribution. Two of his co-conspirators were also placed in front of firing squads.

[DiabloTX]

Still doesn't change the fact that Norway was occupied by German forces thusly they surrendered.  Nowhere in this thread does surrender = cowardice, it's just an assumption by thin-skinned Vikings, who for some reason are acting more like knee-jerk Frenchmen.  Ask any WWII vet who treated the Allied invading armies better and they will say overwhelmingly that the German civilians treated them better than the freed French.  I'm sure Norway was grateful, too, but as stated before, even though Norway never "surrendered", yeah right, the Germans occupied the country up to the end.

[FLOTSOM]

Still doesn't change the fact that Norway was occupied by German forces thusly they surrendered.  Nowhere in this thread does surrender = cowardice, it's just an assumption by thin-skinned Vikings, who for some reason are acting more like knee-jerk Frenchmen.  Ask any WWII vet who treated the Allied invading armies better and they will say overwhelmingly that the German civilians treated them better than the freed French.  I'm sure Norway was grateful, too, but as stated before, even though Norway never "surrendered", yeah right, the Germans occupied the country up to the end.

ok diablo i was going to refrain from bothering to post any more in this thread because the stupidity of some was just to deliberate. but you managed to get my attention, your utter STUPIDITY tops it all.

i am half French and half German and damn proud of it!

what kind of mutt are you???

English? Spanish? what? there is not a part of Europe or Asia that at one point in time or another that one of my ancestors didn't stomp into submission.

so where is your ancestry from?

why dont you be brave and put it on the table so that the rest of us may feel inspired by your historical greatness, so that we may find ourselves in awe of your lineage and pedigree.

or if you are just a cowardly little snot afraid of putting up then why don't you just shut up instead?

FLOTSOM

[DiabloTX]

Irrelevant to the discussion. 


DIABLO

[CAVPFCDD]

i'm far from thin skinned, people just make comments without knowing the facts, yes norway eventually surrendered, but they put up one heck of a fight for such a small country with little military might, most of europe surrendered, so if you want to make your little joke about countries just simply caving in, don't make it about norway because thats just not true

keep in mind that norway has a population of 4 million....there are 8 million people in new york city alone

[FLOTSOM]

Irrelevant to the discussion. 


DIABLO

actually it is very relevant,

but ain't you a funny guy, you lose your brave heart bs attitude when someone challenges you?

you got it into your brave self to run your mouth about the history of others, well lets see what it is that makes you great.

lets see who you think you are that gives you the right to judge others, or to even open your mouth in the conversations of adults.

you got to say your peace and insinuate your trash, now why don't you either put up or shut up.

i would be more than happy to rub the history of my ancestors stepping on the necks of yours into the sore wounds of shame that you must carry over it. your wounds and shame over who they were is plainly apparent in the silence you would proffer instead of stating boldly and with pride who your ancestors were.

my ancestors have had their ups and their downs their good and their bad, but my pride in them as a people is one of my most important and personality defining possessions. i will never be shy about where my family comes from, if you have such a deplorable and shameful ancestry then i suggest you just refrain from putting your opinion into any conversation about the ancestry and history of another.

cowardly people disgust me

FLOTSOM