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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2008, 07:47:50 AM »
Geez take it easy. Did you think all those other movies were on the up and up?

Von Stauffenberg was like 6'4" tall wasnt he? And they got The Hobbit playing him?

Also I never bought the story this guy was a hero. Funny how they had 11 years to kill Hitler and they never tried it until after the Normandy landings when even a moron would know Germany was going to not only lose but also get pulverized.

Actually there were over a dozen assassination attempts on Hitler, including sevral plots be the Officer Corps and other German groups.

Anyhoo, its probably going to be Pearl Harbor with Nazis. I expect to see Ben Arselick flying one of the Ju-52s they show in the trailers.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2008, 08:31:54 AM »
To be accurate there were over 40 documented attempts.....

Valkyrie represents one of the last.

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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2008, 08:38:10 AM »


Anyhoo, its probably going to be Pearl Harbor with Nazis. I expect to see Ben Arselick flying one of the Ju-52s they show in the trailers.


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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2008, 09:06:53 AM »
To be accurate there were over 40 documented attempts.....

Valkyrie represents one of the last.

Documented? As in "never happened"? It seems every High ranking German officer/leader had a secret plot to kill Hitler while standing trial at Nuremberg. :lol Of them all Speer's was most precious. He was going to poison gas his bunker? :uhoh I guess they were running low on zyclon B by then and that prevented it.

Fact is the German High Command was full of selfish opportunists. Had their little master race plan worked they'd still be goose stepping around the world. Call it what it is.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2008, 09:50:34 AM »
Not all of the casting in this movie was bad...






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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2008, 09:57:23 AM »
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2008, 10:28:42 AM »
For starters, to play a German officer. Shouldnt you be able to speak with a German accent?
Kinda adds to the credibility.

Either go with the German language and subtitle it, or use plain English.  In this case, going with the latter is fine with me.  What I never find credible is Germans speaking to each other in English with German accents, and, like you see in many other films, Russians speaking to each other in English with British accents. :huh

Tom Cruise may be a tool, but a lot of the posts here show ignorance of the history surrounding this event.  Even the History channel approaches the topic with more subtlety than what I'm reading here.

Fact is the German High Command was full of selfish opportunists. Had their little master race plan worked they'd still be goose stepping around the world. Call it what it is.

The upper echelons of the German military were made up of Prussian conservatives who had nothing to do with the origins of Nazism (and nearly all thought his plans for conquest were outrageously presumptuous).  They resented Hitler as a plebian, but after Hitler quashed the storm troopers, who were scheming for control of the military, it was difficult to plot against him because he seemed to be preserving the old conservative order.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2008, 10:43:53 AM »
lets see,,   a remake,   with a fruitcake actor?
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2008, 11:01:09 AM »
Either go with the German language and subtitle it, or use plain English.  In this case, going with the latter is fine with me.  What I never find credible is Germans speaking to each other in English with German accents, and, like you see in many other films, Russians speaking to each other in English with British accents. :huh


Did you ever consider that they might be British actors speaking in their normal voices?

That WOULD be plain English.

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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2008, 11:13:42 AM »
Did you ever consider that they might be British actors speaking in their normal voices?

That WOULD be plain English.

It's an intentional casting choice.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2008, 11:17:13 AM »
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The upper echelons of the German military were made up of Prussian conservatives who had nothing to do with the origins of Nazism (and nearly all thought his plans for conquest were outrageously presumptuous).  They resented Hitler as a plebian, but after Hitler quashed the storm troopers, who were scheming for control of the military, it was difficult to plot against him because he seemed to be preserving the old conservative order.

They were made up of opportunists who were thrilled that Hitler poured so many resources into the army and thus were advancing their own careers. They only thought he was "outrageously presumptuous" when it starting looking like they were going to lose. When they were winning they were goose stepping higher then anyone. Believing the Fuhrer was a genius.

As far as I know, and I know a lot, the only real, legitimate assassination attempt against Hitler had nothing to do with the army and when some civilian planted a bomb over labor reform or some such thing. Every attempt, or so called attempt, by army personal were just words and excuses until July '44. They had already had 8 years of watching Jews and undesirables turned into soylent green and didn't do nothing about it so they can all stuff their high morale horse manure.


They acted to save what was left of Germany. And they only did so when they saw the war was irretrievably lost. None of them started "caring about the Jews" until they saw the rope at Nuremberg.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2008, 11:19:27 AM »
They only thought they were "outrageously presumptuous" when it starting looking like they were going to lose.

Try the invasion of France and the low countries.  They were bracing for a long, hard fight similar to WW1.

Anyway, I'm done arguing against your 2 dimensional character sketches.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2008, 11:22:56 AM »
People in Germany are absolutely furious he was cast in this movie, especially as the lead character.. 
They hate him, and they hate scientology even more.  They see it for what it is.  A cult and a scam..
A cult manufactured by an egotistical windbag(who was a pathetic excuse for a Sci-Fi author as well) FOR egotistical windbags...

Plus, this movie is about 90% bull-$#*@..

People in Germany love Hasselhoff so its a wash.



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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2008, 11:43:26 AM »
at least the guy playing hitler looks alot like him

there always seems to be a good hitler look a likes in movies

anyone watch "42 ways to kill hitler" on the national geographic channel?

They also had a cool show on the other day about salvaging a P-47 that crashed in a lake in Austria a day or so before the war ended, the low oxygen levels in the lake kept it in almost mint condition, the guys are going to have it flying in a year or two.
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Re: Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2008, 12:27:03 PM »
Everyone knows German officers in movies have British accents.




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LOL He doesnt have one of those accents either
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