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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 08:22:27 PM »
Agreed, I ahve seen Dell PSU's that are 4 x 4 x 4 squares.... never seen one like that from a PSU manufacturer.  YOu would need to find a Dell replacement for that particular case and MB combo.  Good luck with the age of the system.

Where would be a good place to start looking for something like this?
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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2008, 02:40:33 AM »
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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2008, 11:11:29 AM »
PS for Dell
http://pcpowerzone.com/dimension.html

As for the VC....

I dont know the MB setup but normally your better off with the same VC as your onboard chipset since Dell wont have drivers that support ATI if its an Nvidia chipset IMO...

So...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130076
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500051

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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2008, 08:56:55 PM »
PS for Dell
http://pcpowerzone.com/dimension.html

As for the VC....

I dont know the MB setup but normally your better off with the same VC as your onboard chipset since Dell wont have drivers that support ATI if its an Nvidia chipset IMO...

So...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130076
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500051


Humble, THANK YOU!!!

Just a few questions:
Is this (http://pcpowerzone.com/dimension.html) the same as the 250W power supply that the Dell came with?
And do you think this:http://pcpowerzone.com/pccoppsi500d.html would fit in the Dimension 8200?
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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2008, 09:38:16 PM »
The 8200 isnt listed on the breakdown of boxes for the 2nd PS...I'd check with customer service before ordering....

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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2008, 12:13:15 AM »
Ok, I just found out that I have a Dell Dimension 8300 ( :mad:) from my dad, but it looks like one of the PSUs listed there will work in the 8300.  Do you think that the graphics card you gave the link to would work in the 8300?

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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2008, 09:41:34 AM »
The Dimension 8300 has AGP 4x/8x Expansion, same as the cards listed.


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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2008, 08:24:40 PM »
As already mentioned the 8300 has a 8xAGP slot so the answer is yes....

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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2008, 03:50:29 PM »
Will I probably need to upgrade the fan as well, or could I get away with not doing so?  If/when I go ahead with this, will it be simply: turning off & unplugging the computer, taking out the parts that are being replaced, putting in the new ones, then booting it back up again?

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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2008, 11:54:19 PM »
I've owned Dells for decades, have bought lots and lots of them, and like them a lot.  They are very inexpensive for what you get, but yes, upgradability is not a strong suit because the motherboards and cases are non-standard formats.

I've put stock power supplies in the past into Dells -- it depends on the Dell model.  Look at the technical specs for your Dell (download it from the Dell site) and see if a standard power supply connector will work on it.  (Make sure each wire in the connector is listed as the same voltage as what the connector in your Dell model needs.)

As for a graphics card, most these days cards in the $70-$90 range will be plenty fast for Aces High.  The problem is that you have an AGP slot, which is an outdated slot.  Most PC's now use PCIexpress (PCIe) slots (not that same as PCI).

You can look on newegg.com (excellent prices in general) to see what they have in the $70-$90 range for AGP and look at the chipset's ratings on Tom's Hardware VGA charts ( http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/graphics-cards,1.html ) to see how it does.  Even older Nvidia 6800GS or 6800GT cards (and things with performance in that range) are plenty fast for Aces High, in my opinion.

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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2008, 02:12:40 AM »
Had in my last comp. 6800GS with AMD Athalon 3000 which only OC'd to 2.1GHZ. Ran fine with not many planes but a tad jumpy in furballs. It really depends on what processor he is running. Advise on a card is not as simple as what type. In this case, it looks like he is running a Pentium 4. If his computer runs minimal processes it will be "OK" with a 6800GS. This model came with either a 250w or 305w power supply. If it is 305W he may be good to go with a 7000 series card which would be a good improvement over the 5200.
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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2008, 02:10:44 PM »
Ok, is there any chance that I'd be able to run the hi-res textures pack with the Nvidia 7600 that humble posted the link to (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130076)?  And will I probably need to upgrade the fan or not?

(Make sure each wire in the connector is listed as the same voltage as what the connector in your Dell model needs.)

Could you please clarify what you mean here?  I've never dealt with PSUs before and have very little clue about them so far.

Finally, I've noticed that on newegg.com, they have different variants of the same cards, e.g. they have NVidia 7600GS's made by EVGA, and others with the letters PNY.  What is the difference between these?
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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2008, 09:49:03 PM »
Ok, is there any chance that I'd be able to run the hi-res textures pack with the Nvidia 7600 that humble posted the link to (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130076)?  And will I probably need to upgrade the fan or not?

Could you please clarify what you mean here?  I've never dealt with PSUs before and have very little clue about them so far.

Finally, I've noticed that on newegg.com, they have different variants of the same cards, e.g. they have NVidia 7600GS's made by EVGA, and others with the letters PNY.  What is the difference between these?

You won't need to upgrade any fans.

The high-res texture pack -- I'm not sure.  Even very high-end systems can have a little stuttering with the high-res texture pack unless they have a lot of graphics-card memory and system memory.  See the information here:

http://www2.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html

The technical info on the power connectors for a Dimension 8200 is here:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim8200/techov.htm#1101565

It looks like a standard 20-pin connector with the usual voltages at each of the various pins.  So, all ATX12V power supplies will have the correct connectors.

However . . .

In looking at the Dimension 8300 case, it looks like its back grill covers the spot where the on-off goes for most standard ATX12V power supplies.  Newer Dell cases don't do this -- the have an open back so any power supply fits.  You have two solutions for your Dimension 8300.   One is that you can use a dremel tool to carve out the back grill area on your case -- then any standard ATX12V power supply will fit.  (Make sure you don't leave any metal shavings laying around to short our your motherboard if you do this.)  The other is that you can buy a power supply without the usual switch on the back, like this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707049

Now on to graphics cards.  Here's a list of AGP cards at Newegg.  (You need an AGP card -- you can't use PCIe cards.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201069609639&bop=And&Order=PRICED

I'd probably pick the Radeon HD2600XT (by PowerColor) for $60.  (ATI and nVidia both sell their chipsets to 3rd-party manufacturers which then make the Radeon or GeForce cards, manufacturers such as, for ATI chipsets, Powercolor, Sapphire, etc., and for nVidia chipsets, BFG, XFX, eVGA)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131136

Also, if you don't have at least 1 GB RAM, go to crucial.com and get some more memory:

http://crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Dimension%208300%20Series


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Re: Upgrading graphics card, need advice please
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2008, 12:01:34 AM »
Very good Brooke. Nice explanaition.


You will not going to have any good experience with hi res and that card(it may run but you may have problems in high traffic/graphic areas). I would recommend you run at 512 or 256 textures. You cannot run HR at these textures. Do not worry about hi res worry about the "Great Aces High Experience". Your gaming will be more pleasant with a smooth screen. You will have to play around with the card settings and textures to find the best quality/performance settings.

As far as your Pentium 4. It is a bit older technology but it should be ok with that card for now just don't expect the world. It will be better than what you have.
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