diffrence between 110 and 410

[oakranger]

Little difference but it would be nice to see a Me-410B but replaced the 7.92 mm MG 17 with 13 mm MG 131. The originally planned 1,900 hp (1.397 kW) DB 603G engine was cancelled in early 1944 so all Me 410Bs used DB 603A or DB 603AA engines. The DB 603G would have increased the maximum speed to 630 km/h (392 mph), and cruising speed to 595 km/h (370 mph), although the weights increased once again.


General characteristics Me-410-A1
Crew: 2 (pilot and gunner)
Length: 12.40 m (40 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 16.35 m (53 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.28 m (14 ft)
Wing area: 36.20 m² (390 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,100 kg (13,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 10,650 kg (23,480 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 603A liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,750 PS (1,726 hp, 1,287 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 624 km/h (388 mph)
Range: 2,300 km (1,400 miles) combat
Service ceiling 10,000 m (32,810 ft)
Armament


2 × 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon
2 × 13 mm MG 131 machine guns
up to 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) of disposable stores


General characteristics Me-110

Crew: 2 (3 for night fighter variants)
Length: 12.3 m (40 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 16.3 m (53 ft 4 in)
Height: 3.3 m (10 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 38.8 m² (414 ft²)
Empty weight: 4,500 kg (9,900 lb)
Loaded weight: 6,700 kg (14,800 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 601B-1 liquid-cooled inverted V-12, 809 kW (1,100 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 560 km/h (348 mph)
Range: 2,410 km combat, 2,800 km ferry (1,500 mi / 1,750 mi)
Service ceiling 10,500 m (35,000 ft)
Wing loading: 173 kg/m² (35.7 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.3644 kW/kg (0.155 hp/lb)
Armament


2x 20 mm MG FF/M cannons
4x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns
1x 7.92 mm MG 15 for defense

[Larry]

The Me 410 could also carry the Mk103 30mm cannon, and some even had 50mm cannons.









The Me 410A-2/U-2 was a definitive night-fighter, with two MG 151, two MK 108 30mm cannon, and SN-2 Lichtenstein radar. Many of the 1,121 Me410s built carried Rustsatz external packs carrying an additional two MG 151, MK 108, or MK 103. Occasionaly, experienced pilots fitted as many as eight MH 151s, all firing ahead! The 210mm Rocket tube was commonly fitted by 1944. Some aircraft had a rotating pack of six tubes in the bomb bay.
The Me410 was truly a success, unlike the 210. Unfortunately, not enough were produced that the old Bf-110 could have flown off into retirement. It, like so many others, had to soldier on to the bitter end.

[Motherland]

Damn, that rotary WGr21 launcher is pretty bad-arse.

[oakranger]

The Me 410 could also carry the Mk103 30mm cannon, and some even had 50mm cannons.

The Me 410A-2/U-2 was a definitive night-fighter, with two MG 151, two MK 108 30mm cannon, and SN-2 Lichtenstein radar. Many of the 1,121 Me410s built carried Rustsatz external packs carrying an additional two MG 151, MK 108, or MK 103. Occasionaly, experienced pilots fitted as many as eight MH 151s, all firing ahead! The 210mm Rocket tube was commonly fitted by 1944. Some aircraft had a rotating pack of six tubes in the bomb bay.
The Me410 was truly a success, unlike the 210. Unfortunately, not enough were produced that the old Bf-110 could have flown off into retirement. It, like so many others, had to soldier on to the bitter end.

A dam good tank killer, i bet.

[Rich46yo]

A dam good tank killer, i bet.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I dont think tank killing was part of the 410s mission. Even the BK-5 gun was designed as a bomber killer and in this respect the 410 had moderate success, most of all at night. Unfortunately for the Germans right when the bomber destroyer was able to make a meaningful impact the skies of Germany began to fill up with P-51s and P-47s and they slaughtered the 410s and 110s sent up against the bomber streams.

Had the 410 been fielded earlier, as was planned, it could have had more impact. The heavy cannon and new AA mortar rockets of the Luftwaffe were a serious threat to heavy bombers. Most of all on a platform with the performance upgrade the 410 delivered.

But it was to little to late. The Allies simply overwhelmed the Luftwaffe. The air offensive against the German fuel pipeline was also proving to be catastrophic. Sure they could continue to build good airplanes but without the fuel available to train the air crews properly then the writing is on the wall.

[Larry]

Damn, that rotary WGr21 launcher is pretty bad-arse.

If we ever got that I wouldn't fly anything but the 410. I wonder if you could close the bomb bay doors when done firing so you wouldn't have to deal with the drag.

[Scherf]

As has been discussed here before, about the only night-time use of the 410 was infrequent intruder sorties over the U.K. and as Wilde Sau aircraft.

One of my LW researcher mates tells me the rockets were not much used due to exhaust blast damaging the nose, though as I say I'm just the messenger on that one.

[morfiend]

  The rotary WGr21 was purely experimental and a failure. It was never used in combat so we're unlikely to see this if the 410 is to be added.The 410 did see limited ground attack service on the eastern front,Mk103 30mm tungsen core ammo was issued for this purpose.



  Me 410,"it's a murderous machine"

[Krusty]

It was still able to wield 4x pods under the wings, similar to the bf110G

Also, somebody once posted the specs for the P38 and 410 side by side, including wing loading, horsepower per pound, and a lot of other things.... The Me410 matches a lot of the 38 specs. Not exactly a spitfire mind you, but I think it would be par or better than the mossie we have now.

[Furball]

The Me 410 could also carry the Mk103 30mm cannon, and some even had 50mm cannons.

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The Me 410A-2/U-2 was a definitive night-fighter, with two MG 151, two MK 108 30mm cannon, and SN-2 Lichtenstein radar. Many of the 1,121 Me410s built carried Rustsatz external packs carrying an additional two MG 151, MK 108, or MK 103. Occasionaly, experienced pilots fitted as many as eight MH 151s, all firing ahead! The 210mm Rocket tube was commonly fitted by 1944. Some aircraft had a rotating pack of six tubes in the bomb bay.
The Me410 was truly a success, unlike the 210. Unfortunately, not enough were produced that the old Bf-110 could have flown off into retirement. It, like so many others, had to soldier on to the bitter end.

... unfortunately?!

 

[Larry]

... unfortunately?!

 

copy - paste. That isn't my spelling.

[Helm]

Had the 410 been fielded earlier, as was planned, it could have had more impact. The heavy cannon and new AA mortar rockets of the Luftwaffe were a serious threat to heavy bombers. Most of all on a platform with the performance upgrade the 410 delivered.

It WAS fielded earlier ...it was called Me-210


Helm ...out