when are they going to get rid of perk?

[38isPorked]

Perk system is there to prevent people from upping uber performing planes 100% of the time.

If you weren't here for the F4U-C plague, you wont know how unbalancing ONE plane can be.

Look at it logically. HTC has modeled more than a dozen planes in the game. Only 4 planes , the arado, tempest, ta152 and f4u-c
are perked. You say they are being wasted because they arent being used. Look at it logically. Unperk those planes and then the dozen+ planes htc has modeled would be the ones that would be wasted because they wouldnt get used, as everyone would be flying around in these 4 superplanes. Go into the MA and count how many c202's you see. How many c205's. How many la5's. How many P-51B's. How many ju88's.How many A6M5's?

Then count how many p-51's, la7's and n1ks you see. Get a ratio. You will see MOST players will be found in these last set of planes. Why? Their performance is waaay beyond those of the previous batch.

And thats why there is a perk system. Be in the MA when 1.08 is out. See what will happen when all those who have perkies are trying out the me262 on the first days. THAT is how your perkless MA will be like all the time.

The F4U-C is perked because it was too popular. It was popular because of its guns. Your argument is that you can kill as easily with .50's as you could with the cannons (but you just have to "aim" wasnt that you said?) and that since that is so it shouldnt be perked. Well, you have the F4U-D. Same plane, only that it has 6X.50's. Cant kill in it? AIM then. You nailed the f4u-c's problem with that argument as well, in it you dont need to aim OR ACM. just point and spray. If you do need the f4u-c, then earn the right to fly the supergun plane by getting a measly 8 perks (2 or 3 missions getting 1 or 2 kills in la7 or n1k).

As far as your $15 and not getting to fly the planes you want... tell me why your $15 should allow you to ruin other people also paying $15 a month by flying a plane that greatly outperforms the majority of the planeset? They wouldnt be able to enjoy their planes because you keep shooting them down thanks to your advantages. In time, all people would fly would be your uberplanes 'cause its the only way they have a chance to compete (look at those 202, 205, a6m5,la5 ju88 vs p51, la7,n1k ratios, its already happening with non-perk planes).

[lll111LLL]

when i fly the p51 its the bversion and i fly a6m not n1k, and im ruining other peoples games when ive never gotten to use the temp?  nice argument.  i perfer the f4u1d i was just using it as an example.  beside u miss the point people be able to fly what they want.  dont complain to me about f4u1c either with just about every other plane in the game has cannons 1 or 2 pings and something falls off so whats the point of singling out the f4u1c?  i often out acm someone and get 6 or 7 pings with 50cals or 303s and seem to do little damage or sometimes takes off a elevator or something, thing the person who has cannons which i usually dont use i usually dont even fly cannon planes, hos and get 1 ping when i avoid or get 1 lucky ping and blow my wing off, its annoying, but oh well.  i dont see why the f4u1c was singles out while the same thing can easily happen with other cannon plane.  if they perk f4u1c they should perk ALL cannnon planes.  Your argument is backward u say perk is good so as to not ruin peoples experience by having people upping in late war planes all the time but what about the people who want to use them but dont get too? isnt their game ruined?  i didnt say i was going to use it all the time but it would be nice to actually be able to fly it.  If they want to perk it fine but 70 perks is too much.  and i say u just go shot down by f4u1c and are whinin about it like the n1k wininers, if u lose dont blame the plane

[eskimo2]

All cannon are not the same.

I mostly fly the F4U-1C, A6M and all 109s.
I regularly shread enemy planes at 6 to 800 yards, even in deflection shots, with the Chogs 4 hispanos.  With the A6M and 109 I consider 500 yards a very long shot and save deflection shots for 400 and under.

The ammo load out on the Chog also gives it a heck of an advantage.  It's 900 rounds can de-ack a field and take down the V hanger.
My personal Vulch record in the Chog is 24, which included about 6 air to air and some ack.  IMO, no other plane has the ability to do this.  I rarely run out of ammo in the Chog.

I personally agree that the perk system benefits more experienced players and is unfair.  But, it is better than having an arena that would be almost entirly made up of 3 or 4 planes that are now or perhaps should be perked.


I feel that the fairest way to make super planes available without having them dominate the arena is to have them available at only sellect fields.  

Perhaps each country could only have super planes available at its highest and lowest nueric field that it currently owns.  (I.E. field #7 and #46, lose 46 and you can get them at 45) That way every one has the ability to get uberplanes even if they are down to 2 or 3 fields.

eskimo

[Urchin]

My god man, have you ever heard of punctuation?  Try it sometime, it makes your posts MUCH easier to read.  In response to your last response.  The C-hog was perked because everyone flew it.  Period.  The end.  The C-Hog is actually a rather crappy plane, it just has extraordinary guns.  That is why everyone flew it (well, that and the ordinance load was nice to).

By the way, your argument that "all cannons are the same" doesn't hold water.  I believe that it was actually shown in a few earlier threads that the Hispano has more hitting power than any other cannon in the game, and it also has by FAR the best trajectory of any cannon in the game.  Furthermore, the cannon on the C-Hog were mounted very close together on the wing, so if you got one hit, that meant you got two hits in almost exactly the same spot.  That, as you mentioned previously, is enough to kill someone.  Now imagine three or four C-Hogs sitting about 900-1000 yards back spraying those hispanos because they KNOW you'll get hit eventually, and you have some idea of why people got sick of them.

[SKurj]

not worth the time...


SKurj

[AcId]

Sounds like a successfull troll to me  

[Tac]

"Your argument is backward u say perk is good so as to not ruin peoples experience by having people upping in late war planes all the time but what about the people who want to use them but dont get too? isnt their game ruined?"

The term "dont get to" is very subjective. They CAN fly it, they just have to have the points for it. I agree the perk prices are quite high for the temp and 152 and arado. Id make them be worth 15 or 20 perks. Another suggestion that has been thrown out is to give all players some 100 or so perk points at the start of each tour IF they dont have 100 perk points, that gives them the option of flying the planes.

You fly the bpony and zeke.. and u dont have perks to get a temp?

[lll111LLL]

i have points but i aint going to use them 70 it way to many.  u can spray and pray with any cannon plane, so dont is bs. u people saying this is a troll and whining are probably people flying planes with 30mm and 20mm and dont want to have to pay for ur lame 1 ping kill so dont give me that bs, u can be followed by a group of 3 to 4 109s or spits and the same thing can be done.  if they perk f4u1c they should perk ALL cannon plane for the simple reason that any plane that give u a 1 or 2 ping kill is a huge advantage for people flying it.  BTW ur being chased by 3 to 4 f4u1c at 900 to 1000 yards and u cant get away from them?  what were u flying a b17?

[straffo]

Originally lll111LLL write this kind of unreadable mess age:
i have points but i aint going to use them 70 it way to many.  u can spray and pray with any cannon plane, so dont is bs. u people saying this is a troll and whining are probably people flying planes with 30mm and 20mm and dont want to have to pay for ur lame 1 ping kill so dont give me that bs, u can be followed by a group of 3 to 4 109s or spits and the same thing can be done.  if they perk f4u1c they should perk ALL cannon plane for the simple reason that any plane that give u a 1 or 2 ping kill is a huge advantage for people flying it.  BTW ur being chased by 3 to 4 f4u1c at 900 to 1000 yards and u cant get away from them?  what were u flying a b17?

UH ?

[Staga]

I'm sure there's a good point in lll1L's post, All I had to do is find it  

[ 09-20-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]

[Pepe]

His shift key is broken. His enter key too. My eyes, nearly.  

[Steven]

So that's what "ENY" value means and how it is used!  Learn something new everyday...

I joined AH about five days before the TOD that perked the F4U-C started.  I really only remember once thinking that I see a lot of Corsairs in the sky.  But it struck me as being a planned mission all flying the same type of aircraft off an aircraft carrier to strike one of our land bases.  Not like the 3-Stooges I'm always seeing now (N1K, Spit and LA7) day in and day out.  Like I said, I was only there for a few days though.  

I wonder, if the perk system is designed to make for a level playing field, how this will affect those late-war aircraft already in play once (and if ever) we start seeing F4Fs and P40s and other similar early-war aircraft.  The early-war aircraft will not survive the arena unless the 3-Stooges and others are perked.  Since that is my area of interest and I'd not want to be impeeded from flying a Wildcat, Warhawk or Dauntless, I'd really have no sympathy for the whines of those that want to fly the best aircraft available all the time.  As it is now, you have to put your dues in other aircraft before you can fly the "ubber" stuff, and "ubber" is relative.  (I don't think the F4U-C is all that "ubber", so it must have been a complaint about the numbers of them seen...why is that a bad thing?)  I would like to see a stair-stepping approach once we get that early stuff.  Mid-war aircraft requires minimal perk points to fly and late-war require much more.  

I'll be interested to see how this perk system plays out with time.  I mean, fair is fair.

[Karnak]

Steven,

That Spitfire is a 1942 Spit.

I think that AH is going to remain a late war oriented sim.  I think that earlier aircraft are simply going to have to deal with the late war monsters, or do the CT or Scenario thing.

Be glad that the top 2 fighters are both slow because number 3 (P-51D Mustang) and number 4 (La-7) would be much more annoying if they were as common as the N1K2 and Spitfire MkIX.

[elstevie]

if i get a aimmed burst of 50 cals i can destroy u with at least around 30 to 50 rounds,  

Then do it and gett all them precious perks  

[llll111lll22222]

u seem to be missing the point at least some people the perk system as is does little more than keep u from flying certain planes,  honestly how often do u see a perk plane in the ma?  the perk system might be a good idea but it doesnt work well in its present state.  its just singles out some planes for no good reason.  f4u1c is perked all planes should be perked,  and if u fly planes with cannon and say this isnt a good idea ur probably just whining cuz u dont want ur 1 ping ride taken away.  most of the planes i see in the ma are cannon planes, mostly 109s and n1ks(why doesnt HT just turn off the n1k untill its fixed?) and hardly ever have they ever shot me unless its a ho.  usually its like i out acm them for a few passes i usually fly a6m or sometimes a spit.  get a few pings with machine gun, cause them to lose a little alt, them they get tired of acm and just go for ho usually i avoid it and get on their six sometimes we both get shot down,  but its very lame.  If the perk system is suppoed to even the playing field then why doesnt it do that.  I think in a ww2 sim any planes with jets should be perked but other than that i dont see the point.  Ive seen tempest a few times, never been shot down by one, i shot one down once, in a spit, the tempest could turn pretty well and had a speed advantage but it still got shot down, and i dont see whats so bad about it that it cost 70 perks.  its a nice plane but it can still be shot down.  The perk system as it is isnt implemented very well.  Some planes have advatages over other, but disadvantages as well.  There is no plane in the current plane set(with the exceptception of the arado its a jet right? i havent flown it)  that has a big advantage over any other plane, even the n1k can be shot down.  It mostly depends on driver and flying the good points of ur plane against the bad points of the other.  But the perk system as is doesnt accomplist much.  BTW 3 or 4 planes behind u spraying can kill u whether they are f4u1c or spits or p51s,  so thats just a whine cuz u got gangbanged