Guages are all English, WHY?

[-lynx-]

Stiglr - it's always bugged me how much time our ancestors must have spent making sure that everything they made looked like "old, beatup military equipment with none of that glossy, fake Pixar look or any of the cartoonish look"  .

Look in any museum/movie/whatever that stupidly (IMHO) cries for "authenticity" - do you really think that those Spits, 109s, 38s etc were coming out of the factories with scratched cockpits? Did they all back then listened to the radios which looked like they were at least 50 years old or read books "staright outta antique book store"? The only chance for most of those planes to get a scratch in a cockpit would be when a 20mm shell exploded next to it having gone through an armour plate and a pilot first... Most of them simply didn't live long enough to acquire that "pseudo-authentic" old-warhorse look.

BTW - when I mentioned MS CFS I was referring to the actual flight and gunnery modelling of the darn thing, not the graphics - but the art is crappy too - I wrote a long piece on AGW about it when CFS first came out listing all the "inadequacies".

Once again - 6 people of HTC vs MS backed team producing commercial (boxed game) product... Err.. Umm... Sorry MS team - better luck next time.

I still think that the very first 3D models in WB looked the best. FT crafted magic on those planes - they looked real enough to touch. (Granted, they didn't have moving control surfaces, 3D cockpits etc...  )

Was watching BoB programs yesterday - airshows at Duxford, Biggin Hill etc - there was a 109E there beautifully restored to it's original condition (the only flying 109E?). It looked authentic, it looked like new - as it did 60 years ago...

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lynx
13 Sqn RAF

[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 09-18-2000).]

[StSanta]

Well, I've seen pics of 109's at the eastern front. They sure dinnae look new  .

Straight outta the factory maybe but after just a few weeks of use, wear starts showing. Ground grews doing their thing, landings on dirt runways, you get the picture  .



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Jerry B]

If the gauges aren't metric, why is the distance shown in the icons measured in m/km?

[-lynx-]

StSanta - fair comment . They were still new, right? Muddy and with oil/exhaust fumes smudges but new nevertheless?

From the same point of view I can say that I've seen enough footage/photos/RL of P51 and they were not dull grey - polished aluminum isn't grey, is it? .

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lynx
13 Sqn RAF

[Vermillion]

Jerry B, the distances are not marked in meters/kilometers, they are marked in yards.

When someone says "they were 2k out" they are referring, to two thousand yards.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Ripsnort]

Well, Stigler, you are correct, I *used* to promote AH in AGW only out of anger,(In the off-topic forum...funny how ya'll warm right up to GunJam when he promotes his game, hipocrasy at its finest...) since when back in Jan. I posted a question titled "And out of the sky into the tank column" where I asked what the WB's pilots thought of adding more strat to the game (More targets is more like it) and was attacked by AGW gang-bangers like yourself...consider it 'self-defense'...I have since aborted that behavior.  NEVER ONCE did I critisize the game called Warbirds in any respect, it was my first love (Acutally DOS-AW was very first) and always will be.

[straffo]

 

Originally posted by hitech:
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What it comes down to as I see your post is that you belive the imersion factor out ways the having to convert and confusion factors.

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HiTech

Well it's already the case for me  

When I'm reading the variometer I'm allways in meter/second or when I read the altimeter I'm thinking of meter ...  
even when I read the "badin" (speed meter ?) I'm not in the good unit  

Especially when I'm landing I almost get wrong 1/3 of the time  

[Brazos]

hitech, some of your reasons are pretty arrogant. Some of the same kind of reasoning that makes us Americans such villains in other parts of the world.

Stiglr, get some therapy. You have lost the ability to communicate without antagonizing the other party. Surely you must realize your out of control. Good comms require a two way street. Veering into other's "faces", isn't helping you get your point across. It actually impedes it. See Bobby Knight's problems. Great coach! Nutty man.

Cya up...Braz

[Sharky]

HT,

I thought I would NEVER have to say this but I gotta agree with Stiglr here.

First WB has the proper gauges for all the aircraft and other than the rare occasion when someone has to ask a short conversion question it's never been a problem.  I have never heard anyone complain about the gauges not all being english.  And I would be willing to bet your paycheck there has never been a post to that effect on AGW.

Second, It sure seems to me that AH has quite a Euro following.  At least it seems to me that the europeon players seem much of a presense than in WB (at least lately, WB sure seems to be empty during the peak euro hours)  I see an awful lot of non-english in the buffer than I ever do in WB.  Now don't get me wrong that's a good thing (more customers and all that) so I think that a lot of people would really benifit.

Third, I'm first and foremost an american and as such hate all things metric    But I gotta agree that english gauges in a FW or 109 is just kinda silly.  It just seems to me to be a real sore thumb that sticks out in an other wise beautifully rendered sim.

Now if you just don't want to do them because of the extra work thats fine, it is after all your sim to do with as you please.  But saying it's to hard for people to make the ajustment is kinda weak sorry.

Oh and Ripsnort, come on thats just lame.  Yeah stiglr was a staunch critic of AH in the beginning and wiether you agreed with him or not, he is now, for what ever reason, giving Ace High an honest and fair appraisal and is trying to provide some constuctive critisisum <sp>.  I can understand you may not like the way he says some things but to drag up that "You never liked AH anyway" stuff is just well...childish.

Sharky

[Creamo]

Well said Sharky!

[Ripsnort]

Well, Sharky, sorry for my attitude, its just that he's been one of the most negative critics of AH, falling short of MG's post by a smidge over the last 8 months, I hate pessimists.  It's probably his "Aces Hobbled" comments  he made in every post regarding AH that got to me.

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[Swoop]

I'd just like to say.......I'm British, I'm 26 and therefore supposedly grew up being taught the metric system.

Bollocks.

I have parents and grandparents that never used the word "millimetres" in their lives.  I think in feet, inches, miles, lbs, etc.  

In fact I'd like to ditch the decimal currency system we use and go back to pounds, shillings and pence (purely to confuse the tourists) which is kinda strange for someone born after the change.

Swoop